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Baric Transcribed Interview (Redacted), p.29 · baric_ti:utt:00163

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Date
2026-04-10 09:00 (day precision)
Type
transcript segment · interview
recipient
Ralph S. Baric, Harry Kazenoff, David T. Lambeth III, William Henderson, Clark Ervin, Jake Greenberg
speaker
Christina Salazar
So they just didn't have them?

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  1. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
    No, it wasn't. But in the agenda items that we've seen from other officials, that's the agenda that was on there. But from your House testimony it sounded like that wasn't necessarily what was discussed.
  2. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
    I don't recall that part being in the House, so I think the House testimony is actually accurate.
  3. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
    So can you let us know what you all talked about and who was present?
  4. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
    Well, Fauci was present for about 5 to 10 minutes max. He got called away for a phone call in a SCIF, and so he left pretty early in the meeting. There was some basic discussion about the new virus. Ultimately, they got to, I think, what they really wanted to talk about was gain-of-function related experiments, or I think it should be potential gain-of-function related experiments, that were associated with this 2015 and 2016 paper. I was a little surprised that they didn't seem to have the paperwork that was involved in my presentation on why I thought this might be more of a loss-of-function than a gain-of-function phenotype. And so then I think a day or so later I sent them all those documents. DC.Scheduling@LexitasLegal.com
  5. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar
    So they just didn't have them?
  6. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
    I don't know. They seemed surprised to me.
  7. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
    Surprised about --
  8. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
    They seemed uncertain, not surprised. "Uncertain" would be the better word, about the status of these documents, which surprised me.
  9. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
    So that paper was in 2015. It was NIHfunded research.

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