Private channel session 1643

23 messages over 43m, 2021-10-13 – 2021-10-13.

A “conversation” here is an activity session — a run of messages with under 60 minutes of silence inside it. The channel had no native conversation boundaries.

2021-10-13 13:29 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.1020

In all seriousness though we probably do need to let someone like the CIA or the White House know about Q61-70. George Gao and probably a lot of other people have the sequences and it's a pretty good bet that there is a reason why they are missing. Early on all the info did was confirm what George and others already knew - the virus came inwith the illegal animals. China decided that put China squarely to blame, hence the cover-up.
2021-10-13 13:40 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.1020

Let's see what we can achieve on our own before moving up the line...
2021-10-13 13:47 Andrew Rambaut open PDF p.1020

https://virological.org/t/oct-2021-evd-case-in-drc-linked-to-2018-2020-nord-kivu-evd-outbreak/762
2021-10-13 13:49 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.1020

What is going on??!!
2021-10-13 13:49 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.1020

Is there a spill-back reservoir we're missing?
2021-10-13 13:54 Andrew Rambaut open PDF p.1020

Just never had this many survivors before
2021-10-13 13:54 Andrew Rambaut open PDF p.1020

Vaccinated and treated with ABs
2021-10-13 13:56 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.1020

@Kristian Andersen Sorry, but I can't give permission for my emails being released in any form (i.e. even via Jon) because I've been told that will set a precedent. I've had a bunch of FOIAs that want all my correspondence with China. I don't care if they are released without my permission, as in the Fauci set, but I can't formally agree under any circumstances. I also don't think it will help. I'll reply to Jeremy later.
2021-10-13 13:56 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.1020

The former we have had previously, the latter not.
2021-10-13 13:58 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.1020

Yup, totally understand Eddie (which I hope I made clear). I personally _do_ think there's a way to do it without setting a precedent and that's the advice I have been given - but again, totally understand you (and others) can't agree to it.
2021-10-13 14:02 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.1021

Yes, but I've had 3 FOIAs directly asking for this correspondence. There's one at the moment that will likely go tocourt. My University would also object to an FOIA on the grounds that the presumption is that this correspondence was meant to be confidential. Which of course it was. Plus the emails don't get into the fact that the intelligence services were informed throughout.
2021-10-13 14:03 Andrew Rambaut open PDF p.1021

I am in the same position. We have been asked for huge tranches of emails and we are refusing to say what exists even.
2021-10-13 14:04 Andrew Rambaut open PDF p.1021

I will check with our lawyer but it only requires one of us to say no.
2021-10-13 14:06 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.1021

I have to say no
2021-10-13 14:06 Andrew Rambaut open PDF p.1021

That's what I mean.
2021-10-13 14:07 Andrew Rambaut open PDF p.1021

I don't know what happens if we get overruled - I guess we just have to redact them in the same way they are already redacted
2021-10-13 14:10 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.1021

Ron's is the most interesting
2021-10-13 14:12 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.1021

I also suspect a release would not help SAGO
2021-10-13 14:12 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.1021

I suggest you both just say "no" to Jeremy - or have the lawyers say "no". He/they will then have to figure out what todo next.
2021-10-13 14:12 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.1021

I said no already. Very clearly!!!
2021-10-13 14:12 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.1021

You did... Bears repeating :wink:
2021-10-13 14:13 Andrew Rambaut open PDF p.1021

Creating a whole lot more email to be FOI'ed
2021-10-13 14:13 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.1022

Yup.