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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.1021 [SLACK_001235] · slack_pm:msg:10654

Date: 2021-10-13 14:02
Type: chat message · slack
recipient: Kristian G. Andersen, Robert F. Garry, Andrew Rambaut
speaker: Edward C. Holmes
Topics: FOIA, records and transparency

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Yes, but I've had 3 FOIAs directly asking for this correspondence. There's one at the moment that will likely go tocourt. My University would also object to an FOIA on the grounds that the presumption is that this correspondence was meant to be confidential. Which of course it was. Plus the emails don't get into the fact that the intelligence services were informed throughout.

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Yes, but I've had 3 FOIAs directly asking for this correspondence.	own voice, substantive	speaker_own	asserts
My University would also object to an FOIA on the grounds that the presumption is that this correspondence was meant to be confidential.	own voice, substantive	speaker_own	asserts

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Yes, but I've had 3 FOIAs directly asking for this correspondence.

own voice, substantive

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My University would also object to an FOIA on the grounds that the presumption is that this correspondence was meant to be confidential.

own voice, substantive

speaker_own

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2021-10-13 13:54 Andrew Rambaut open

Vaccinated and treated with ABs
2021-10-13 13:56 Edward C. Holmes open

@Kristian Andersen Sorry, but I can't give permission for my emails being released in any form (i.e. even via Jon) because I've been told that will set a precedent. I've had a bunch of FOIAs that want all my correspondence with China. I don't care if they are released without my permission, as in the Fauci set, but I can't formally agree under any circumstances. I also don't think it will help. I'll reply to Jeremy later.
2021-10-13 13:56 Kristian G. Andersen open

The former we have had previously, the latter not.
2021-10-13 13:58 Kristian G. Andersen open

Yup, totally understand Eddie (which I hope I made clear). I personally _do_ think there's a way to do it without setting a precedent and that's the advice I have been given - but again, totally understand you (and others) can't agree to it.
2021-10-13 14:02 Edward C. Holmes

Yes, but I've had 3 FOIAs directly asking for this correspondence. There's one at the moment that will likely go tocourt. My University would also object to an FOIA on the grounds that the presumption is that this correspondence was meant to be confidential. Which of course it was. Plus the emails don't get into the fact that the intelligence services were informed throughout.
2021-10-13 14:03 Andrew Rambaut open

I am in the same position. We have been asked for huge tranches of emails and we are refusing to say what exists even.
2021-10-13 14:04 Andrew Rambaut open

I will check with our lawyer but it only requires one of us to say no.
2021-10-13 14:06 Edward C. Holmes open

I have to say no
2021-10-13 14:06 Andrew Rambaut open

That's what I mean.

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