Baric Transcribed Interview (Redacted) — page 44

DC.Scheduling@LexitasLegal.com MS. SALAZAR: But they got it from WIV -- DR. BARIC: Yes. MS. SALAZAR: -- and they then were -- did they pay her? DR. BARIC: I have no idea. MS. SALAZAR: Did you ever ask her? DR. BARIC: All I told her is that those mice needed to be destroyed. MS. SALAZAR: And did she confirm that they were? DR. BARIC: They confirmed with the university. MR. LAMBETH: We certainly have emails confirming. Of course, that's all we have that they were all -- MS. SALAZAR: Yeah. How do you confirm that, you know, mice were -- DR. BARIC: Yeah, how do you confirm that? MS. SALAZAR: Okay. I mean, so there was generally a sense of trust prior? DR. BARIC: Well, the whole purpose, again, of open science is to ensure integrity of the process. And I think that was not a validation of the integrity. That was inappropriate behavior by Chinese scientists. MS. SALAZAR: And I think, you know, I think part of the problem is that a lot of these things are funded with taxpayer dollars, so people get upset when they find out that that's, right, some of the development of the model is