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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.1093 [SLACK_001307] · slack_pm:msg:11377

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Date
2022-02-16 13:46
Type
chat message · slack
recipient
Kristian G. Andersen, Robert F. Garry, Andrew Rambaut
speaker
Edward C. Holmes

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To me that's a straight contradiction

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  1. 2022-02-16 13:37 Edward C. Holmes open
    I honestly don't see how that differs from what we've said.
  2. 2022-02-16 13:39 Kristian G. Andersen open
    It doesn't if you're a reasonable person. However, just two examples: "SARS-CoV-2 genome data" > how can you decide it's natural based on genome data alone? "pangolins became available, which clearly showed that some of the unusual features found in SARS-CoV-2 were also found in nature" > so your conclusions are based only on the pangolin data?
  3. 2022-02-16 13:42 Edward C. Holmes open
    I have to say I disagree.
  4. 2022-02-16 13:44 Edward C. Holmes open
    Your lawyers letter says "This was indicative of the view of Dr. Andersen and his co-authors that it was impossible toprove or disprove specific hypotheses as to the origins of SARS-CoV-2" while the PO paper actually says "we do not believe that any type of laboratory based scenario is plausible".
  5. 2022-02-16 13:46 Edward C. Holmes
    To me that's a straight contradiction
  6. 2022-02-16 13:47 Kristian G. Andersen open
    Straight from our paper - "The genomic features described here may explain in part the infectiousness and transmissibility of SARS-CoV-2 inhumans. Although the evidence shows that SARS-CoV-2 is not a purposefully manipulated virus, it is currently impossible to prove or disprove the other theories of its origin described here. However, since we observed all notable SARS-CoV-2 features, including the optimized RBD and polybasic cleavage site, in related coronaviruses innature, we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible"
  7. 2022-02-16 13:51 Edward C. Holmes open
    Right, but we do actually then state that no laboratory-based scenario is plausible.
  8. 2022-02-16 13:52 Edward C. Holmes open
    If I were on the other side I would then ask why you wrote this second sentence?
  9. 2022-02-16 13:54 Kristian G. Andersen open
    Well, that's the genius of that sentence - it says "we do not _*believe*_ that any type of laboratory based scenario is_*plausible*_". "Not plausible" does not mean "impossible".

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