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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.1092 [SLACK_001306] · slack_pm:msg:11373

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Date
2022-02-16 13:37
Type
chat message · slack
recipient
Kristian G. Andersen, Robert F. Garry, Andrew Rambaut
speaker
Edward C. Holmes

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I honestly don't see how that differs from what we've said.

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  1. 2022-02-16 13:33 Kristian G. Andersen open
    I think that might need some work - several things that people can poke holes in. Might be worth lifting some language from my previous answers on this (especially #3): https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/14/science/covid-lab-leak-fauci-kristian-andersen.html
  2. 2022-02-16 13:34 Edward C. Holmes open
    What's point #3? I can't read this. Also, it's only going to be used if people ask.
  3. 2022-02-16 13:35 Kristian G. Andersen open
    shared file(s): Lab-Leak Theory_ Kristian Andersen On His Fauci Email and Covid Origins - The New York Times.pdf
  4. 2022-02-16 13:35 Kristian G. Andersen open
    *In March, you and other scientists published the Nature Medicine paper saying that "we do not believe that any typeof laboratory-based scenario is plausible." Can you explain how the research changed your view?* The features in SARS-CoV-2 that initially suggested possible engineering were identified in related coronaviruses, meaning that features that initially looked unusual to us weren't. Many of these analyses were completed in a matter of days, while we worked around the clock, which allowed us toreject our preliminary hypothesis that SARS-CoV-2 might have been engineered, while other "lab"-based scenarios were still on the table. Yet more extensive analyses, significant additional data and thorough investigations to compare genomic diversity more broadly across coronaviruses led to the peer-reviewed study published in Nature Medicine. For example, welooked at data from coronaviruses found in other species, such as bats and pangolins, which demonstrated that the features that first appeared unique to SARS-CoV-2 were in fact found in other, related viruses. Overall, this is a textbook example of the scientific method where a preliminary hypothesis is rejected in favor of acompeting hypothesis after more data become available and analyses are completed.
  5. 2022-02-16 13:37 Edward C. Holmes
    I honestly don't see how that differs from what we've said.
  6. 2022-02-16 13:39 Kristian G. Andersen open
    It doesn't if you're a reasonable person. However, just two examples: "SARS-CoV-2 genome data" > how can you decide it's natural based on genome data alone? "pangolins became available, which clearly showed that some of the unusual features found in SARS-CoV-2 were also found in nature" > so your conclusions are based only on the pangolin data?
  7. 2022-02-16 13:42 Edward C. Holmes open
    I have to say I disagree.
  8. 2022-02-16 13:44 Edward C. Holmes open
    Your lawyers letter says "This was indicative of the view of Dr. Andersen and his co-authors that it was impossible toprove or disprove specific hypotheses as to the origins of SARS-CoV-2" while the PO paper actually says "we do not believe that any type of laboratory based scenario is plausible".
  9. 2022-02-16 13:46 Edward C. Holmes open
    To me that's a straight contradiction

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