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Date
2021-11-26 14:05
Type
chat message · slack
recipient
Robert F. Garry, Edward C. Holmes, Andrew Rambaut
speaker
Kristian G. Andersen
Topics
Biosafety and biosecurity

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Make it clear that: (1) separate debate on biosafety in the light of how widespread SARSr viruses are, and (2) that continued investigations to understand their emergence is required, including figuring out exactly how SC2 poppedup (and SC1 for that matter).

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Make it clear that: (1) separate debate on biosafety in the light of how widespread SARSr viruses are, and (2) that continued investigations to understand their emergence is required, including figuring out exactly how SC2 poppedup (and SC1 for that matter). own voice, substantive speaker_own asserts

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  1. 2021-11-26 13:56 Robert F. Garry open
    Not to mention that certain Rhabdoviruses are literally the most deadly viruses on the planet...
  2. 2021-11-26 13:58 Kristian G. Andersen open
    If this all came down to "what's the likelihood of a lab leak", then sure, all of this would be very concerning. However,we have to contend with all the "unlikelihood" that would have to happen _upstream_ and _downstream_ of anactual lab leak for that to explain how SC2 emerged in the human population, plus, of course, actual evidence. People love to focus on the "lab leak happens" part and then forget about everything else. If you live in that vacuum,sure, it can be hard to convince yourself that's not how this happened. Problem is, we don't live in a vacuum.
  3. 2021-11-26 14:03 Andrew Rambaut open
    Perhaps a commentary timed for shortly after the Zoonati paper discussing how, given the origins are now reasonably pinned down, important it is to separate the issues and make some sensible positions on lab risk (and aswe dicussed this morning the much greater risk from field work)
  4. 2021-11-26 14:03 Kristian G. Andersen open
    Very good idea!
  5. 2021-11-26 14:05 Kristian G. Andersen
    Make it clear that: (1) separate debate on biosafety in the light of how widespread SARSr viruses are, and (2) that continued investigations to understand their emergence is required, including figuring out exactly how SC2 poppedup (and SC1 for that matter).
  6. 2021-11-26 14:05 Edward C. Holmes open
    Yup, I'm all for that.
  7. 2021-11-26 14:06 Kristian G. Andersen open
    Let's do it - I actually think this is a really good idea.
  8. 2021-11-26 14:07 Andrew Rambaut open
    Yes. And there are often safe ways of getting much of the data.
  9. 2021-11-26 14:13 Kristian G. Andersen open
    Yup - and in fact, tying it all back to what we said in our 2018 Nature commentary... Would be extra powerful sinceso many idiots have brought up that commentary as a proof that we changed our minds - which we didn't. Ifanything, I think we all would double down on what we said in that commentary.

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