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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.1029 [SLACK_001243] · slack_pm:msg:10754

Date: 2021-11-25 11:19
Type: chat message · slack
mentioned: Andrew Rambaut
recipient: Robert F. Garry, Edward C. Holmes, Andrew Rambaut
speaker: Kristian G. Andersen
Topics: Vaccines

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@Andrew Rambaut - I hope you're wrong, but I have been saying that for months - we're just one monster variant away, and maybe this is it... I bloody hope not - but just looking at the mutations, I would be _very_ surprised if anupdated vaccine wouldn't be necessary. Not exactly square one, but it ain't great - plus, this is ignoring potential concerned about antigenic sin and/or ADE, but I don't want to think about either of those right now.

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I bloody hope not - but just looking at the mutations, I would be _very_ surprised if anupdated vaccine wouldn't be necessary.	quoted / not their view	hypothetical conditional framing	asserts

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I bloody hope not - but just looking at the mutations, I would be _very_ surprised if anupdated vaccine wouldn't be necessary.

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2021-11-25 11:19 Kristian G. Andersen

@Andrew Rambaut - I hope you're wrong, but I have been saying that for months - we're just one monster variant away, and maybe this is it... I bloody hope not - but just looking at the mutations, I would be _very_ surprised if anupdated vaccine wouldn't be necessary. Not exactly square one, but it ain't great - plus, this is ignoring potential concerned about antigenic sin and/or ADE, but I don't want to think about either of those right now.
2021-11-25 12:13 Kristian G. Andersen open

Let's hope we're just looking at a sampling bias here - because if we're not, it doesn't matter what we do next. [shared file(s): FFEHAdRVUAQkWKg.png]
2021-11-25 12:16 Robert F. Garry open

Working on ourrenewal @Kristian Andersen - Hoping this is not part of the justification...."Immunosuppressed individuals are thought to be the source variants, such as Ni that accelerated the COVID-19 pandemic and drove itto new heights."
2021-11-25 12:18 Kristian G. Andersen open

Let's hope not Bob. I think Nu could likely be a big problem, but surely the early data can't be correct.
2021-11-25 12:23 Robert F. Garry open

Nu - sorry - @Andrew Rambaut put Monty Python into my head and it's going to be hard to get away from that image of the knights...

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