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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.980 [SLACK_001194] · slack_pm:msg:10205

Date: 2021-07-09 03:57
Type: chat message · slack
recipient: Kristian G. Andersen, Robert F. Garry, Edward C. Holmes
speaker: Andrew Rambaut
Topics: Proximal Origin paper

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Eddie - what is your current status with your FOI requests? I guess the rules are different in Australia but it might begood to coordinate as my requests are:• All correspondence between you and me from 2019-2021 (my admin has said we narrow this to only those about the lab-escape stuff because they make it clear that is what they are interested in).A second request asking for:• All documents about the "Proximal Origins ..." research project (I am not sure how we will deal with that as it wasn'ta research project).

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I guess the rules are different in Australia but it might begood to coordinate as my requests are:• All correspondence between you and me from 2019-2021 (my admin has said we narrow this to only those about the lab-escape stuff because they make it clear that is what they are interested in).A second request asking for:• All documents about the "Proximal Origins ..." research project (I am not sure how we will deal with that as it wasn'ta research project).	quoted / not their view	quoted_external sentence carries quotation marks	questions

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I guess the rules are different in Australia but it might begood to coordinate as my requests are:• All correspondence between you and me from 2019-2021 (my admin has said we narrow this to only those about the lab-escape stuff because they make it clear that is what they are interested in).A second request asking for:• All documents about the "Proximal Origins ..." research project (I am not sure how we will deal with that as it wasn'ta research project).

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2021-07-09 03:00 Andrew Rambaut open

Roger has some relevant points but then as you go up the thread gets increasingly bonkers:
2021-07-09 03:00 Andrew Rambaut open

````It is a quasispecies evolution. Human viruses exist only in humans. SARS-CoV-2 is just one of the multiple human avatars of the SARS metapopulation. SARS-CoV is another one. Both have emerged by chance. Many haven't. SARS-CoV-3 is perhaps already evolving in humans but we will know it only after its emergence.``` What??
2021-07-09 03:09 Edward C. Holmes open

I've come across this guy before. I can't quite recall how. He thinks that everything is interconnected. Clearly crazy. Ithought another reason that civets were ancestral was that they had very high prevalence:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3323399/
2021-07-09 03:17 Andrew Rambaut open

Yeah - and the found SARS in some that lay outside the diversity of humans.
2021-07-09 03:57 Andrew Rambaut

Eddie - what is your current status with your FOI requests? I guess the rules are different in Australia but it might begood to coordinate as my requests are:• All correspondence between you and me from 2019-2021 (my admin has said we narrow this to only those about the lab-escape stuff because they make it clear that is what they are interested in).A second request asking for:• All documents about the "Proximal Origins ..." research project (I am not sure how we will deal with that as it wasn'ta research project).
2021-07-09 04:07 Andrew Rambaut open

I should say that some of the emails make it clear that you are not part of a conspiracy - this one where you sent methe pictures of the raccoon dogs: [shared file(s): image.png]
2021-07-09 04:37 Edward C. Holmes open

If asked under UK law my Uni will block any release of these emails. Their case is that they were intended to be sentin confidence and that their release will do me harm (e.g. mental health) because the of the current levels of abuse. Plenty of evidence for that. The Uni have a duty of care. They also say that releasing one will set a precedent for releasing more so they all need to be blocked.
2021-07-09 04:49 Andrew Rambaut open

Perhaps I need to get our lawyers to talk to your lawyers?
2021-07-09 04:49 Andrew Rambaut open

Given it is both ends of the same set of emails.

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