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Date
2021-06-20 10:16
Type
chat message · slack
recipient
Robert F. Garry, Edward C. Holmes, Andrew Rambaut
speaker
Kristian G. Andersen

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I'm digging too... Irrespective of this, all the relevant SNPs are in Table 1 - not trying to "hide" anything

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  1. 2021-06-20 10:07 Kristian G. Andersen open
    Yup, agreed - I came to a similar conclusion over night too. In any case - while we can't rule out the reason forpulling the data that JB describes as by far the most likely, in my eyes, while possible, it's highly unlikely. JB iscoming from the angle of all Chinese scientists acting in bad faith, hence he can only see that reason - it's disappointing, frankly. And yes, they provide a table. And yes, by reading their description of the mutations, it's clear they didn't even thinkof this as important data for understanding the origin - they were focused on a diagnostics. Plus, what do we _really_ learn about the origin now we _do_ have the data? Nothing - other than A and B lineages were circulating, which wealready knew.
  2. 2021-06-20 10:07 Kristian G. Andersen open
    It's racism. Full stop.
  3. 2021-06-20 10:11 Andrew Rambaut open
    Is the exact same data deleted from NCBI on NGDC?
  4. 2021-06-20 10:15 Robert F. Garry open
    I made stab at finding it - PRJNA612766 doesn't pull anything up on NGDC. But, they could have renamed it or just didn't bother yet.
  5. 2021-06-20 10:16 Kristian G. Andersen
    I'm digging too... Irrespective of this, all the relevant SNPs are in Table 1 - not trying to "hide" anything
  6. 2021-06-20 10:16 Kristian G. Andersen open
    (otherwise, why the heck would they include Table 1...)
  7. 2021-06-20 10:19 Kristian G. Andersen open
    Also, it's not that they mentioned the BioProject in their paper and then later pulled it - they added it there, presumably to later share the data, but then took it down for whatever (likely non-nefarious) reasons. Maybe the IPlawyers told them to. Maybe they thought, you know, maybe next time. Maybe they didn't have full IRB approval toshare the raw data - who knows. What I find deeply problematic here actually has to do with the SRA - apparently "deleting" data from the SRA doesn't actually do that. That's a HUGE issue for many other reasons
  8. 2021-06-20 10:39 Kristian G. Andersen open
    Joel will join us for the call in 20 mins too

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