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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.949 [SLACK_001163] · slack_pm:msg:09871

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Date
2021-06-19 16:13
Type
chat message · slack
recipient
Kristian G. Andersen, Robert F. Garry, Edward C. Holmes
speaker
Andrew Rambaut

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What does he think they were trying to cover up? That there was something that was one SNP closer to a bat virus that hadn't even been sequenced by then?

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  1. 2021-06-19 15:56 Robert F. Garry open
    Is this science? "It therefore seems likely the sequences were deleted to obscure their existence. Particularly in lightof the directive that labs destroy early samples (Pingui 2020) and multiple orders requiring approval of publicationson COVID-19 (China CDC 2020; Kang _et al._ 2020a), this sug- gests a less than wholehearted effort to trace early spread of the epidemic."
  2. 2021-06-19 15:59 Edward C. Holmes open
    The direction to destroy the samples was from Jan 3rd 2020. It's got nothing to do with covering origins, and all to dowith controlling the message. The pangolin stuff is actually from the USRTK from last year.
  3. 2021-06-19 16:03 Robert F. Garry open
    "Finally, both plausible putative progenitors require that an early mutation to SARS-CoV-2 was a reversion towards the bat coron- avirus outgroups (either C18060T or C29095T) on a branch that subsequently gave rise to multiple distinct descendants." WAIT is this true - I thought WA1 was T18060 so bat-like.
  4. 2021-06-19 16:10 Edward C. Holmes open
    Well, Jesse has gone full-on conspiracy. I can well imagine people deleting data because they were shit scared what the state would do to them. And he's right that China want to control the message on origins...they are particularly keen that it is not China.
  5. 2021-06-19 16:13 Andrew Rambaut
    What does he think they were trying to cover up? That there was something that was one SNP closer to a bat virus that hadn't even been sequenced by then?
  6. 2021-06-19 16:13 Andrew Rambaut open
    Unless it was !!!
  7. 2021-06-19 16:18 Edward C. Holmes open
    Yes, and it would mean that someone did in China did some very detailed analysis very quickly and spotted this themselves. I can't see that they data deletion is specific to what the data actually says.
  8. 2021-06-19 16:22 Robert F. Garry open
    He's not overthinking this - Chinese scientist deletes sequences - holy shit it's a cover-up - must be a lab leak.
  9. 2021-06-19 16:24 Robert F. Garry open
    that was the fox news - murdock version coming to a tv screen near you very soon...

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