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Date
2021-06-03 06:54
Type
chat message · slack
recipient
Kristian G. Andersen, Edward C. Holmes, Andrew Rambaut
speaker
Robert F. Garry
Topics
Natural origin / zoonotic spillover

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  1. 2021-06-03 05:26 Robert F. Garry open
    Also - keeping with a logical fallacies overall theme, perhaps note that most iterations of the lab leak are unfalsifiable- relman et al saying that lab leak could be a field worker getting asymptomatically infected in the field (and notseroconverting btw) fails the falsifiable test for a hypothesis - it can only be conjecture or speculation (tied in with theaccusation of cover-up part). This version of Lab Leak is indeed a similar to other unfalsifiable "theories," for ex. that eDim keeps an Invisible Pink Unicorn up his ass: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Pink_Unicorn
  2. 2021-06-03 05:34 Robert F. Garry open
    If logical fallacies becomes the theme as @Andrew Rambaut suggests - then one could consider - *or not* - mentioning Umbrella Man=FCS
  3. 2021-06-03 05:55 Robert F. Garry open
    Regardless of the specifics, I agree with Andrew that hitting them with logic is what we must do. The arguments have to be framed sans subtilty - like a Mike Tyson punch.
  4. 2021-06-03 06:51 Robert F. Garry open
    Of course, False equivalence prime logical fallicy.
  5. 2021-06-03 06:54 Robert F. Garry
    https://en.vietnamplus.vn/man-jailed-for-storing-780-kg-of-african-pangolin-scales/202492.vnp
  6. 2021-06-03 07:09 Robert F. Garry open
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/01/we-need-investigate-lab-leak-theory-without-inflaming-anti-asian-hate/ yeah
  7. 2021-06-03 07:13 Robert F. Garry open
    here's the op-ed in case you don't have full access [shared file(s): Opinion _ How to investigate the lab-leak theory without inflaming anti-Asian hate - The Washington Post.pdf]
  8. 2021-06-03 07:15 Kristian G. Andersen open
    @Kristian Andersen Gah! Not surprising and the effect on vaccination has been my biggest worry - also not surprised by that (unfortunately). I was discussing this with Duncan yesterday and it looks like we're starting to see growth in the US too, although it's still much too early to tell. B.1.1.7 is already in somewhat decline with P.1 coming up. So the main competition maybe between P.1 and B.1.617.2 and it's going to be very dependent on vaccination status.
  9. 2021-06-03 07:18 Andrew Rambaut open
    @Kristian Andersen Not sure why India cases peaked and dropped though. Do they have lock downs and NPIs?

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