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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.889 [SLACK_001103] · slack_pm:msg:09214

Date: 2021-05-28 07:53
Type: chat message · slack
recipient: Kristian G. Andersen, Edward C. Holmes, Andrew Rambaut
speaker: Robert F. Garry

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Serious question - now that _Science_ stuck their collective head in the sand do I send anything back to the Bloomshitters. I was thinking about a "cordial," - It does not look like Science has any interest in hosting any type ofserious discussion about COVID-19 origins. There will be other opportunities. Meanwhile, please take another lookat the data in the WHO document. There is actually a lot of evidence here including important genetic data regarding the cases at the markets. Or, just let it "lie."

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2021-05-28 07:23 Robert F. Garry open

So will USAMRIID open their books for a "forensic" evaluation? Porton Down? Winnepeg? I think not.
2021-05-28 07:28 Robert F. Garry open

It's frankly insane - USAMRIID is not going to release info all the projects that they have ongoing on emerging infectious disease vaccines and countermeasures. Same with the others. Might as well write a blueprint for terroristorgs.
2021-05-28 07:38 Kristian G. Andersen open

Just pure insanity all around. And the main issue here is the false equivalence - there's this sense that unless wehave 100% proof, we can't know one way or the other. Simply not true - given current evidence, we can give a very strong statement about how this happened - unless somebody brings credible data about a lab leak, we already know what happened and just need to figure out the exact details.
2021-05-28 07:44 Robert F. Garry open

Yes it's a binary [but an incredibly skewed one] - it's either lab leak [all versions by the way involve conspiracies now- because even if you accept Relman's "they had it and didn't know hybrid scenario" then they still have to be lying about the serology] *or* natural. Disprove one and it has to be the other.
2021-05-28 07:53 Robert F. Garry

Serious question - now that _Science_ stuck their collective head in the sand do I send anything back to the Bloomshitters. I was thinking about a "cordial," - It does not look like Science has any interest in hosting any type ofserious discussion about COVID-19 origins. There will be other opportunities. Meanwhile, please take another lookat the data in the WHO document. There is actually a lot of evidence here including important genetic data regarding the cases at the markets. Or, just let it "lie."
2021-05-28 08:19 Robert F. Garry open

@Eddie Holmes thinking more about you brilliant idea - they definitely need to test those environmental samples and identify the animals associated withe the SC2 PCR positives at the marketS. Veterinary genetics forensics isdefinitely a thing. https://vgl.ucdavis.edu/forensics
2021-05-28 08:20 Robert F. Garry open

BTW - doing TwiV at 1pm...

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