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[2021-05-28 07:38:43] [Kristian Andersen] Just pure insanity all around. And the main issue here is the false equivalence - there's this sense that unless we have 100% proof, we can't know one way or the other. Simply not true - given current evidence, we can give a very strong statement about how this happened - unless somebody brings credible data about a lab leak, we already know what happened and just need to figure out the exact details. [2021-05-28 07:44:27] [Robert Garry] Yes it's a binary [but an incredibly skewed one] - it's either lab leak [all versions by the way involve conspiracies now - because even if you accept Relman's "they had it and didn't know hybrid scenario" then they still have to be lying about the serology] *or* natural. Disprove one and it has to be the other. [2021-05-28 07:53:44] [Robert Garry] Serious question - now that _Science_ stuck their collective head in the sand do I send anything back to the Bloomshitters. I was thinking about a "cordial," - It does not look like Science has any interest in hosting any type of serious discussion about COVID-19 origins. There will be other opportunities. Meanwhile, please take another look at the data in the WHO document. There is actually a lot of evidence here including important genetic data regarding the cases at the markets. Or, just let it "lie." [2021-05-28 08:19:50] [Robert Garry] @Eddie Holmes thinking more about you brilliant idea - they definitely need to test those environmental samples and identify the animals associated withe the SC2 PCR positives at the marketS. Veterinary genetics forensics is definitely a thing. https://vgl.ucdavis.edu/forensics [2021-05-28 08:20:18] [Robert Garry] BTW - doing TwiV at 1pm... [2021-05-28 12:56:07] [Robert Garry] https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/bies.202100015 [2021-05-28 12:57:34] [Robert Garry] Another Dynamic Duo: Rosanna and Yurie claiming the sequences must be fake. [2021-05-28 12:58:51] [Kristian Andersen] NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORY BOB, NOT A CONSPIRACY!!!! I'm just asking questions... [2021-05-28 13:15:10] [Kristian Andersen] A little shaky, but some helpful comments from Relman and Baric on their true beliefs. https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-inquiry/the-sudden-rise-of-the-coronavirus-lab-leak-theory [2021-05-28 13:15:28] [Kristian Andersen] Here's Relman with his main argument... I'll let you be the judge. [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2021-05-28 at 1.14.15 PM.png] [2021-05-28 13:57:29]