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1. 2021-04-27 22:12 Edward C. Holmes open
   More from the journo. The billion dollar question is whether any of the animals in all this are being tested?
2. 2021-04-27 22:12 Edward C. Holmes
   "Google tranz of a story below about how a lot of the meat byproduct gets churned back into the restaurant industry, similar to what the HSI had found. I've been able to document four mink farms in Hubei, and a musk rat farm Ithought that was mink [closed Jan 17, 2020, mysteriously].On another couple of notes - there is a pangolin breeding operation just two hours drive north of Wuhan. It's connected to some companies here in Shenzhen that trade in plastics internationally, so going to look into that here,as well as a TCM company up in Hubei. Scales are often imported mixed into bags of wires and plastic pieces according to some of the seizure stories I've seen in the past. May be nothing though.In Yunnan I've been able to document 16 pangolin breeding operations that were active before the outbreak. There are a couple that are in or close to Yongde County which supplied bamboo rat meat to the Huanan market, according to the China-WHO study report. Almost ALL of these are mixed breeding operations susceptible to cross infections. Here's a sample:1. Pangolin breeding; livestock breeding and sales2. Breeding and sales of civet cat, bamboo rat, porcupine, wild boar, pangolin, muntjac, pheasant, turtledove, hare.3. Artificial breeding of muntjac, sika deer, wild goose, golden pheasant, pangolin, forest musk deer, porcupine.4. farming of pigs, cattle, sheep, donkeys, fish, pangolins, hedgehogs, bamboo rats, chickens;5. just pangolin, company cancelled in September 2020,6. black bears, brown bears, red deer, egrets, swans, pangolins, mandarin ducks, bamboo rats, porcupines,peacocks, livestock, poultry , Aquatic products breeding and sales;7. pangolin, livestock, poultry breeding and sales8. Black bear, brown bear, red deer, sika deer, egret, swan, pangolin, mandarin duck, bamboo rat, porcupine,peacock, livestock, poultry, and aquatic products breeding and sales9. YONGDE pangolins are domesticated, propagated, and sold; pigs, chickens, cattle, and sheep are raised and sold10. breeding and sales of cattle, porcupines and pangolins;11. patent for artificial pangolin breeding12. [near Yongde] breeding of cattle, sheep, pigs, chickens, and bees; breeding and sales of bamboo rats, muntjacand pangolins;13. [near Yongde] chicken, duck, goose, pig, cow, sheep, donkey, bee Breeding; bamboo rat, deer, and pangolin breeding and sales14. breeding and sales of pigs, chickens, cattle, sheep, porcupines, and pangolins;15. roe deer, Muntjac, civets, wild boars, bamboo rats, porcupines, colorful pheasants, blue peacocks, pangolins, breeding, sales16. just pangolin, and tied to a case where trafficked pangolin were turned over to the company by forestry officials acouple years back *Processing of meat from mink, fox, raccoon dog, etc. in Hebei:**https://www.google.com/maps/place/Changli+County,+Qinhuangdao,+Hebei,+China/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x358c93e16cdb9c4d:0xe5f6376b0d6672f1?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjowuWzk5nwAhUHkZQKHQUpDRUQ8gEwFXoECC8QAQ *https://www.163.com/news/article/F4O0EFEL0001899O.htmlIn the past few days, many departments have issued announcements banning any form of wildlife trading. Many places are also quarantining places for raising and breeding wild animals. However, according to a reporter from China Business News, there are still loopholes in "refusing to eat game". Many people in the industry reported to CBN reporters that for *many years, wild animal flesh such as fox, mink, and raccoon meat from farms* has been sent to meat joint factories or small workshops to be processed into grilledsausages or ham sausages. In some professional journals, there are even expert guidance on how to process the meat of these wild animals into delicious foods and put them on the market.Secrets in the industry?*Changli County, Hebei Province* has nearly 30 years of fox, raccoon, and mink breeding foundation. The fur industry has become a local characteristic industry. The total amount of breeding has remained at about 8 million,accounting for one-tenth of the country. The total output of raccoon skin ranks first in the country. .*Changli County is also the country's largest leather trading center, with an annual trade of 15 million skins and500,000 live skins, and an annual output value of 8 billion to 10 billion yuan. Changli County was once awarded thetitles of "China Fur Industry Base" and "Hometown of Racoon Raising Dogs" by* the Specialty Products Society ofthe Chinese Agricultural Society. The entire county has formed a complete industrial chain of mink and raccoon breeding, breeding of fine breeds, feed and veterinary medicine, commerce, processing, and logistics.In an earlier interview with China Business News, a person in charge of a farm said: "Some people buy fur, and some people want meat, and send it to the meat joint factory." When the reporter asked further, the other party seemed a little nervous and just said, "This is Secrets known in the industry"."
3. 2021-04-27 22:30 Kristian G. Andersen open
   Some interesting stuff in there for sure - some a little more cooky... What's interesting about the mink farming - I asked George about that back in March/April, 2020 and he pretty much dismissed it out of hand, saying "those farms are not in Hubei, but much further away where they had no COVID". Iwonder if that's really true - and clearly, there may be other farming as well.
4. 2021-04-27 22:34 Edward C. Holmes open
   If that's their logic no wonder they've not found the origin

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