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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.696 [SLACK_000910] · slack_pm:msg:07303

Date: 2021-04-12 16:33
Type: chat message · slack
recipient: Robert F. Garry, Edward C. Holmes, Andrew Rambaut
speaker: Kristian G. Andersen
Topics: Natural origin / zoonotic spillover

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SARS, of course, broke out in Guangdong. I wonder if we're blind because we're focusing so much on bats in Yunnan - is it possible these guys are coming from pangolins?

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I wonder if we're blind because we're focusing so much on bats in Yunnan - is it possible these guys are coming from pangolins?	needs context	speaker_own	questions

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I wonder if we're blind because we're focusing so much on bats in Yunnan - is it possible these guys are coming from pangolins?

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2021-04-12 16:30 Kristian G. Andersen open

Finally had some time to read the pangolin paper in Frontiers. It's a shit paper, but the findings seem solid enough -~10% of tested pangolins (in a single zoo in Guangdong) positive for SARS(2)-like CoVs. That's pretty nuts. Totalconvenience sampling too and they didn't go after these specifically - I think pangolins might just be packed full ofCoVs, which is bloody scary.https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmicb.2021.657439/full
2021-04-12 16:33 Kristian G. Andersen

SARS, of course, broke out in Guangdong. I wonder if we're blind because we're focusing so much on bats in Yunnan - is it possible these guys are coming from pangolins?
2021-04-12 16:34 Edward C. Holmes open

No doubt in my mind that pangolins are major reservoirs. That's what Tommy and Linfa see as well. And it won't justbe bats and pangolins.
2021-04-12 16:35 Kristian G. Andersen open

Wasn't there a zoo behind the Huanan market too? Any idea if they had pangolins?
2021-04-12 16:36 Edward C. Holmes open

I'll check with that reporter
2021-04-12 17:20 Edward C. Holmes open

This was from one of his earlier emails "If it was pangolins infected by bats, there are lots of these little "holdingpens" on the pangolin underground railroad in China, often mixed in with other wildlife breeding. Was at one inGuangdong a couple years back where they had some, but apparently had just moved them a week or so before wegot there. Everyone around that we spoke with knew they kept pangolins there."

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