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2020-10-30 15:51
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Robert F. Garry, Edward C. Holmes, Andrew Rambaut
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Kristian G. Andersen
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Eddie, it's your paper... :wink: https://www.thelancet.com/article/S0140-6736(20)30251-8/fulltext I assume this is the same Weijun Chen who's the submitter of the data and is from BGI.

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  1. 2020-10-30 15:23 Edward C. Holmes open
    The idea that 2-3 weeks before all this it was known at a commercial sequencing company based in a different city seems untenable to me. Nor does it fit the time-line of the first patients seen by the doctors (sorry to include awikipedia link): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Wenliang
  2. 2020-10-30 15:24 Edward C. Holmes open
    However, I'm checking with colleagues there now.
  3. 2020-10-30 15:33 Kristian G. Andersen open
    One explanation is that BGI created these four BioSamples for a different purpose and then backfilled with the SARS2 data when they generated it. But I don't think there's any ambiguity that these were created on 12/10 - onlywe don't know for what purpose (so could have been for a novel coronavirus, could have been for something else -the metadata describing the BioSample very likely weren't entered until the data were deposited).
  4. 2020-10-30 15:35 Kristian G. Andersen open
    I would love to see the full submission history for these entries - Andrew, dig a little :wink:
  5. 2020-10-30 15:51 Kristian G. Andersen
    Eddie, it's your paper... :wink: https://www.thelancet.com/article/S0140-6736(20)30251-8/fulltext I assume this is the same Weijun Chen who's the submitter of the data and is from BGI.
  6. 2020-10-30 15:52 Kristian G. Andersen open
    He'd know what's up with that early creation date.
  7. 2020-10-30 15:54 Kristian G. Andersen open
    If you had some suspected cases of novel coronavirus, Weijun would be the kind of guy you'd contact - he's been developing diagnostics for SARS too, so would make sense. I think there's probably an earlier timeline here that they may have been obscuring a little - which, honestly, wouldn't surprise me that much.
  8. 2020-10-30 16:22 Edward C. Holmes open
    Yes, I looked at the Lancet paper straight away. I've already contacted Weifeng. If that fails I'll contact Weijun Chen.
  9. 2020-10-30 16:25 Edward C. Holmes open
    The point is who is the 'you' in your question? Who did they work for? A doctor in Wuhan? What people would do isrun the standard panel of tests and if they failed perhaps contact a sequencing company like BGI. But if that were the case why did they not submit samples until 2 weeks later? My guess is that they were created for something else and then backfilled.

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