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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.155 [SLACK_000369] · slack_pm:msg:01586

Date: 2020-09-07 09:36
Type: chat message · slack
recipient: Robert F. Garry, Edward C. Holmes, Andrew Rambaut
speaker: Kristian G. Andersen
Topics: Vaccines

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Yeah, presumably it would require a company to stand behind the submission of all the data - but the trials themselves are not run by the companies and they're not involved in data generation, so I think the EUA could likelybe pushed through with everything already available. They can of course refuse to distribute the vaccine, but the crazy thing here is that Trump likely has no or very little interest in actually distributing the vaccine - he just wants itapproved and then leave it to others to figure out what to do. The main risk here is that with the EUA, some would demand the vaccine and it'd sideline the clinical trials, causing very significant delays for the development of_actual_ safe and efficacious vaccines.

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They can of course refuse to distribute the vaccine, but the crazy thing here is that Trump likely has no or very little interest in actually distributing the vaccine - he just wants itapproved and then leave it to others to figure out what to do.	needs context	uncertain explicit hedge	asserts
The main risk here is that with the EUA, some would demand the vaccine and it'd sideline the clinical trials, causing very significant delays for the development of_actual_ safe and efficacious vaccines.	own voice, substantive	speaker_own	asserts

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They can of course refuse to distribute the vaccine, but the crazy thing here is that Trump likely has no or very little interest in actually distributing the vaccine - he just wants itapproved and then leave it to others to figure out what to do.

needs context

uncertain explicit hedge

asserts

The main risk here is that with the EUA, some would demand the vaccine and it'd sideline the clinical trials, causing very significant delays for the development of_actual_ safe and efficacious vaccines.

own voice, substantive

speaker_own

asserts

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2020-09-07 09:05 Robert F. Garry open

I'm pretty sure he's going to try to do this - esp as the poll numbers either stay the same or more likely move a bit more to Biden/Harris - this is literally who he is and nothing else other than getting re-elected matters in the least -I'm also pretty sure this is going to be a line in the sand for not only the vaccine manufacturers but the FDA, NIH, even the Warp Speed commandos themselves - be ready to speak out.
2020-09-07 09:13 Andrew Rambaut open

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/04/science/covid-vaccine-pharma-pledge.html
2020-09-07 09:21 Kristian G. Andersen open

Yeah, it's crazy when "Big Pharma" should be the ones we put our trust in and not the (formerly) best protection agency in the world. It's loopy.While this announcement (if it actually comes out - but I'm sure it will) is good, it still won't prevent him from forcingthrough an EUA. I'm 99% sure it'll happen - irrespective of all the "checks and balances" in place, including statements from the main vaccine manufactures.
2020-09-07 09:28 Andrew Rambaut open

It would still require a company to request it surely?
2020-09-07 09:36 Kristian G. Andersen

Yeah, presumably it would require a company to stand behind the submission of all the data - but the trials themselves are not run by the companies and they're not involved in data generation, so I think the EUA could likelybe pushed through with everything already available. They can of course refuse to distribute the vaccine, but the crazy thing here is that Trump likely has no or very little interest in actually distributing the vaccine - he just wants itapproved and then leave it to others to figure out what to do. The main risk here is that with the EUA, some would demand the vaccine and it'd sideline the clinical trials, causing very significant delays for the development of_actual_ safe and efficacious vaccines.

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