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Date
2020-07-31 09:47
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Kristian G. Andersen
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Kristian G. Andersen, Robert F. Garry, Edward C. Holmes
speaker
Andrew Rambaut

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  1. 2020-07-31 09:27 Andrew Rambaut open
    I am not that surprised - there is not much she could do other than give a warning the reviewers (and she doesn't know for sure which one it is). I think it is just good that she knows about this in case DT tries to contact Nature tomake a complaint or something (unlikely as that would remove his anonymity).
  2. 2020-07-31 09:31 Andrew Rambaut open
    I suggest just replying and saying thanks we just wanted to her to know that there was someone trying to cause griefin case she got embroiled in it. I can't see any benefit in demanding anything from Nature - we don't want them to beupset with us.
  3. 2020-07-31 09:44 Andrew Rambaut open
    @Kristian Andersen Are you able to do anything? Or do we just press the transfer to MedRxiv button?
  4. 2020-07-31 09:47 Kristian G. Andersen open
    @Kristian Andersen I unfortunately can't do anything on my end - I only get the paper once it's through the first step. Does it have human data in it? If yes, then MedRxiv is required
  5. 2020-07-31 09:47 Andrew Rambaut
    @Kristian Andersen Whether someone is dead or not?
  6. 2020-07-31 09:49 Andrew Rambaut open
    @Kristian Andersen So will transfer. Thanks.
  7. 2020-07-31 09:50 Kristian G. Andersen open
    @Kristian Andersen Yeah, if you have data like that in there that requires human subjects research approval so itends up with MedRxiv...
  8. 2020-07-31 10:10 Kristian G. Andersen open
    Yeah, I agree we don't want to push it - however, from the email it doesn't appear that Clare thought about doing anything at all, which I really don't think is appropriate here - at a minimum she needs to contact the reviewers about the breach. I don't think that's an unreasonable request? I would kinda hope journals would take breachesseriously...
  9. 2020-07-31 10:57 Robert F. Garry open
    It's an OK response - she probably had to consult a lawyer to allow use of the term "disappointing, if." Consider thisa successful immunization if DT tries to push this further with Nature or if DT tries for some other journalist. Nature can't say they weren't warned. Journals - like universities - are risk adverse - don't want to do ANYTHING to damage the brand - if they can sweep under the rug that's their first impulse.

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