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Date
2020-07-29 13:34
Type
chat message · slack
recipient
Robert F. Garry, Edward C. Holmes, Andrew Rambaut
speaker
Kristian G. Andersen

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Just to clarify - email to Proton would not be to satisfy our own urge for revenge - it's purely to make it clear that this goes no further. But yes, I'm in agreement - I think the first thing should be an email to Nature and then see where that takes us. We can bring out the nukes if necessary.

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  1. 2020-07-29 13:26 Robert F. Garry open
    Contacting Nature is the right thing to do. They will have little recourse other than to contact Reviewer #2 andfiguratively rap her or him on the knuckles. I'd include the E/K email, which responds to the libelous accusationsdecisively, but not name Jon Cohen. Responding to the protonmail is less obvious - it would be satisfying, but - trustme on this one - Deep Throat is already convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that he or she is doing the right thing even if it means breaking every rule of confidentiality and peer review. Furthermore, even though the E/K emailoutline responds to the libelous accusations decisively, when Cohen shares it with DT [I think JC will] it will just beencouraging. Facts will be selectively extracted from the E/K email to confirm DT's pre-existing narrative.
  2. 2020-07-29 13:32 Andrew Rambaut open
    I would be against sending anything to DT directly as satisfying as it could be in the short term.
  3. 2020-07-29 13:33 Edward C. Holmes open
    I agree. An email from all of us to Clare is the 1st thing to do.
  4. 2020-07-29 13:34 Edward C. Holmes open
    I also think Jeremy should email everyone on the call to tell them about the leak.
  5. 2020-07-29 13:34 Kristian G. Andersen
    Just to clarify - email to Proton would not be to satisfy our own urge for revenge - it's purely to make it clear that this goes no further. But yes, I'm in agreement - I think the first thing should be an email to Nature and then see where that takes us. We can bring out the nukes if necessary.
  6. 2020-07-29 13:35 Kristian G. Andersen open
    Oh, I like that idea too Eddie - do you want to ask him?
  7. 2020-07-29 13:36 Edward C. Holmes open
    I've told Jeremy who we think it is and he agrees, and that the leaker was likely Ron. I'll see if he is willing to go any further.
  8. 2020-07-29 13:38 Kristian G. Andersen open
    Okay, great. Let me work a little on a draft for Nature. I'm in meetings for a few hours, but I'll get on it a little later today
  9. 2020-07-29 13:40 Kristian G. Andersen open
    And I don't think we want to give Clare the whole narrative we emailed to Jon - other than to say it's completely wrong. We can give it to her if she asks, but I don't think we necessarily want her to email all those details to the reviewer just yet. I don't think Jon will share back what we did yesterday with Deep Throat.

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