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Baric Transcribed Interview (Redacted), p.138 · baric_ti:utt:01141

Date: 2026-04-10 09:00 (day precision)
Type: transcript segment · interview
recipient: Christina Salazar, Harry Kazenoff, David T. Lambeth III, William Henderson, Clark Ervin, Jake Greenberg
speaker: Ralph S. Baric
Topics: Wuhan Institute of Virology collaboration

With WIV1, absolutely.

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2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

Just to let you know, we have ordered a molecular clone for RaTG13. That genome is heavily debilitated. We eventually isolated it. We have not finished submitting the paper.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

Okay. And when did you isolate it? DC.Scheduling@LexitasLegal.com
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

Maybe two and a half years ago.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

Okay. Do you think that Dr. Shi and WIV had the technical capability of doing the work proposed in DEFUSE on their own?
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric

With WIV1, absolutely.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

Okay.
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

I mean, they had the molecular clone.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

So they couldn't have.
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

Yeah. They had a molecular clone. They've dropped different spike genes in it. So it's the question of basically, I don't know, I'd have to look at the S1/S2 junction. But it would be three or four amino acids that they'd have to drop in. They certainly would have that technology.