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Baric Transcribed Interview (Redacted), pp.80-81 · baric_ti:utt:00717

Date: 2026-04-10 09:00 (day precision)
Type: transcript segment · interview
recipient: Christina Salazar, Harry Kazenoff, David T. Lambeth III, William Henderson, Clark Ervin, Jake Greenberg
speaker: Ralph S. Baric

Again, I can't remember. So there's an DC.Scheduling@LexitasLegal.com issue about -- it's not clear why they found two different virus sequences in the same samples.

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2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

I --
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

What organization?
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

I don't know. The authors were from Chinese groups. We could find the paper, but that was the first report. In fact, the whole genesis around the pangolin strains, these pangolin strains, is confusing because the group that published first had one sequence. And then, if I understand it correctly, those sequences and samples were picked up, I believe, by WIV researchers, or another group, and they published a completely different set of sequences. So one paper is in a very infrequently read journal, and then the other was in Nature.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

What's the other journal?
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric

Again, I can't remember. So there's an DC.Scheduling@LexitasLegal.com issue about -- it's not clear why they found two different virus sequences in the same samples.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

Okay.
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

I did actually make a molecular clone of a pangolin GD strain, and we published it --
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

Can I have the document back? I think we showed you the part that is relevant to our discussion. You look too interested over there. [Laughter.]
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

Are we peeking?

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