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1. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
   Is that conversation that you've had with anyone?
2. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
   Let's take that into the afternoon.
3. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
   Would that change your opinion?
4. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
   It would depend on what data was present. Certainly the pangolin strains were identified, and I think the first paper that was published was in September of 2019, by non-WIV researchers.
5. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar
   And who was that?
6. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
   I --
7. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
   What organization?
8. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
   I don't know. The authors were from Chinese groups. We could find the paper, but that was the first report. In fact, the whole genesis around the pangolin strains, these pangolin strains, is confusing because the group that published first had one sequence. And then, if I understand it correctly, those sequences and samples were picked up, I believe, by WIV researchers, or another group, and they published a completely different set of sequences. So one paper is in a very infrequently read journal, and then the other was in Nature.
9. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
   What's the other journal?

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