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Baric Transcribed Interview (Redacted), p.80 · baric_ti:utt:00711

Date: 2026-04-10 09:00 (day precision)
Type: transcript segment · interview
recipient: Christina Salazar, Harry Kazenoff, David T. Lambeth III, William Henderson, Clark Ervin, Jake Greenberg
speaker: Ralph S. Baric
Topics: Natural origin / zoonotic spillover Wuhan Institute of Virology collaboration

It would depend on what data was present. Certainly the pangolin strains were identified, and I think the first paper that was published was in September of 2019, by non-WIV researchers.

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Certainly the pangolin strains were identified, and I think the first paper that was published was in September of 2019, by non-WIV researchers.	needs context	uncertain explicit hedge	asserts

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Certainly the pangolin strains were identified, and I think the first paper that was published was in September of 2019, by non-WIV researchers.

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2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

It would depend on what strain they had. It would depend on what strain they had.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

Is that conversation that you've had with anyone?
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

Let's take that into the afternoon.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

Would that change your opinion?
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric

It would depend on what data was present. Certainly the pangolin strains were identified, and I think the first paper that was published was in September of 2019, by non-WIV researchers.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

And who was that?
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

I --
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

What organization?
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

I don't know. The authors were from Chinese groups. We could find the paper, but that was the first report. In fact, the whole genesis around the pangolin strains, these pangolin strains, is confusing because the group that published first had one sequence. And then, if I understand it correctly, those sequences and samples were picked up, I believe, by WIV researchers, or another group, and they published a completely different set of sequences. So one paper is in a very infrequently read journal, and then the other was in Nature.

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