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Baric Transcribed Interview (Redacted), pp.36-37 · baric_ti:utt:00229

Date: 2026-04-10 09:00 (day precision)
Type: transcript segment · interview
recipient: Christina Salazar, Harry Kazenoff, David T. Lambeth III, William Henderson, Clark Ervin, Jake Greenberg
speaker: Ralph S. Baric
Topics: China relations and data access

I believe so, yes. And any other attempts to get things out of China. So, for example, a guy named Hongkui Deng made an ACE2 mouse model back in 2005, and I DC.Scheduling@LexitasLegal.com met him. He was at Peking University, and said he'd be glad to share his mice with us. And so we started to do the paperwork, but the Chinese government never allowed it to go through, so the whole thing crashed. So from what I hear from other researchers, it's not an uncommon problem.

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2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

Sorry. I can't remember.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

-- Dr. Shi be arrested, because she didn't have the paper approved by the Chinese government?
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

Again, I don't know for the fact why he said that. However, I'm not 100 percent sure that she ever got approval from the Chinese government to send me the sequences. That would be my guess. That would be my guess.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

So is that something that they have to formally approve?
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric

I believe so, yes. And any other attempts to get things out of China. So, for example, a guy named Hongkui Deng made an ACE2 mouse model back in 2005, and I DC.Scheduling@LexitasLegal.com met him. He was at Peking University, and said he'd be glad to share his mice with us. And so we started to do the paperwork, but the Chinese government never allowed it to go through, so the whole thing crashed. So from what I hear from other researchers, it's not an uncommon problem.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

But that paper had been published.
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

That's correct.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

For years. Five years.
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

Yes. Well, no. Yes. Well, I'm talking in the range of around 2006 or 2007. I'm giving you an example of what sort of barriers exist to get samples out of China.

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