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Baric Transcribed Interview (Redacted), p.37 · baric_ti:utt:00233

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Date
2026-04-10 09:00 (day precision)
Type
transcript segment · interview
recipient
Christina Salazar, Harry Kazenoff, David T. Lambeth III, William Henderson, Clark Ervin, Jake Greenberg
speaker
Ralph S. Baric
Yes. Well, no. Yes. Well, I'm talking in the range of around 2006 or 2007. I'm giving you an example of what sort of barriers exist to get samples out of China.

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  1. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
    I believe so, yes. And any other attempts to get things out of China. So, for example, a guy named Hongkui Deng made an ACE2 mouse model back in 2005, and I DC.Scheduling@LexitasLegal.com met him. He was at Peking University, and said he'd be glad to share his mice with us. And so we started to do the paperwork, but the Chinese government never allowed it to go through, so the whole thing crashed. So from what I hear from other researchers, it's not an uncommon problem.
  2. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
    But that paper had been published.
  3. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
    That's correct.
  4. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
    For years. Five years.
  5. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric
    Yes. Well, no. Yes. Well, I'm talking in the range of around 2006 or 2007. I'm giving you an example of what sort of barriers exist to get samples out of China.
  6. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
    But the paper that we're discussing, it was 2015?
  7. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
    It's 2015. That's correct.
  8. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
    And so I guess it's just the Chinese government, I hear they monitor people a lot. They wouldn't have seen that Shi, I mean, Shi was published. It was public.
  9. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
    How would I know? How would I know the answer to that question?

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