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Baric Transcribed Interview (Redacted), p.36 · baric_ti:utt:00226

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Date
2026-04-10 09:00 (day precision)
Type
transcript segment · interview
recipient
Ralph S. Baric, Harry Kazenoff, David T. Lambeth III, William Henderson, Clark Ervin, Jake Greenberg
speaker
Christina Salazar
Topics
China relations and data access
-- Dr. Shi be arrested, because she didn't have the paper approved by the Chinese government?

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  1. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
    Chimeras. I figured it out. "Clearly he is in other kinds of meetings than we are invited to. I joked about his link to WIV but he wasn't very amused. He said that Shi's paper was not approved by the Chinese government and that she may be arrested for it. That's not a good look for anyone. So we just go ahead and keep our head down and get this virus working." So does this reflect what the conversation was?
  2. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
    It's a Slack message that people write. It's not to me. Yeah. Certainly the first part, for sure. Ask specific parts of the question.
  3. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
    So why would --
  4. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
    Sorry. I can't remember.
  5. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar
    -- Dr. Shi be arrested, because she didn't have the paper approved by the Chinese government?
  6. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
    Again, I don't know for the fact why he said that. However, I'm not 100 percent sure that she ever got approval from the Chinese government to send me the sequences. That would be my guess. That would be my guess.
  7. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
    So is that something that they have to formally approve?
  8. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
    I believe so, yes. And any other attempts to get things out of China. So, for example, a guy named Hongkui Deng made an ACE2 mouse model back in 2005, and I DC.Scheduling@LexitasLegal.com met him. He was at Peking University, and said he'd be glad to share his mice with us. And so we started to do the paperwork, but the Chinese government never allowed it to go through, so the whole thing crashed. So from what I hear from other researchers, it's not an uncommon problem.
  9. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
    But that paper had been published.

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