Private channel session 1689
27 messages over 1h 28m, 2022-01-13 – 2022-01-13.
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One thing to check on that we need to get right with Quammen too - did we post on Virological on 2/9 or 2/16? I think2/16, no? @Andrew Rambaut
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shared file(s): image.png
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Need to check if that is the data for the last update.
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Okay, great - I think David (and others) have this as 2/9 - because of this: [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2022-01-13 at1.24.38 PM.png]
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The edit history makes it looks as if it's Feb 9 - but it's not, it's Feb 16 (just checked our email chain too)
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Yes - you click on the 'Feb '20' to get the full time stamp
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I have it on wayback machine too: https://web.archive.org/web/20200217170645/https://virological.org/t/the-proximal-origin-of-sars-cov-2/398
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Yeah - the admin can easily and invisibly change the timestamps on Discourse so it shouldn't be used as hard proof
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Yeah, this is what David has: "This paper went up promptly as a preprint on Virological (notwithstanding Rambaut's preference for pre-preprintruminations) on February 9th, while it made its way through the editorial process more slowly at an important journal" I'll correct him. @Eddie Holmes - if you haven't sent him your edits, can you please include in your edits too?
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`notwithstanding Rambaut's preference for pre-preprint ruminations` ? what is he going on about here?
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When did it get published?
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(in NM)?
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17Mar20 - my daughter's birthday...
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Did you give her a poster of the paper with its Altmetrics score?
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Not quite sure what the "rumination" is about... But I'm sure he'll ask you (he mentioned that he was going to send itto you and Bob once he got Eddie's and my edits back). Here's the full "rumination" section, with my notes [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2022-01-13 at 1.44.10 PM.png]
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That would have been a good idea - she's a pretty big fan of the Zoonati BTW.
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Will do. I've not even opened the document yet.
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Gus is very interested in understanding the FULL editing history of PO... (and no - I'm not going to answer him...) [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2022-01-13 at 1.45.52 PM.png]
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To say that we submitted PO on Feb. 2 - I mean, come on man... Seriously.
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Looking at the edits on virological - I think we may have posted it privately on the 16th, made a few more tweaks and then made it public on the 17th.
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Which would fit with the internet archive.
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Yeah, I think you might be right that it went online Feb 17 UK time - I can see I started emailing it around at 7am onthe 17th (MY birthday! Coincidence? I think not....!). The first one I emailed it to was.... drum roll...... Marc Lipsitch.
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Which is kinda weird actually... Why the heck would I say it was "highly plausible" on Feb 16, when clearly that wasn't my thinking... Probably because our first version still quite seriously considered lab culture. [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2022-01-13 at 1.51.29 PM.png]
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Yup, that's the reason - our first (non-peer reviewed) version is more toned down (it's actually pretty good). It's a little strange we mention this part though:_"In theory, it is possible that SARS-CoV-2 acquired the observed RBD mutations site during adaptation to passagein cell culture, as has been observed in studies with SARS-CoV5 as well as MERS-CoV"_We mention the Pangolin CoVs in the paper too, so clearly we must just have failed to connect the two - no, the RBD couldn't have been the result of passage. That realization came with the peer review, so probably the main reason why we made our arguments stronger. Reading through the whole version history of this paper, we really did a good job - it truly is a prime example of how science (should) work. Proud of the Proximal Boyz :wink:
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Reading through our emails on 2/17/2020 is hilarious - so many last-minute things and I think I might just have come back from the desert... Eddie spelled my last name wrong!!
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Perhaps that was deliberate?
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Good point... We should have kept it - "not me, some other Kristian dude :man-shrugging:"