Private channel session 1641

13 messages over 53m, 2021-10-12 – 2021-10-12.

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2021-10-12 14:10 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.1018

Honestly though, fuck Alina and her privacy invasion - good grief. Scientists need to be able to communicate in private without fear of some asshole coming back later and pointing out shit with perfect hindsight. @Kristian Andersen pointed me to this general area above. Turns out - yeah Delta - Lessons learned - who knew that yes we totally should have been freaking out! [shared file(s): image.png]
2021-10-12 14:15 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.1019

I still maintain that everything we said there was true - based on available evidence at the time, there was no reasonto freak out. Just look at the recent headlines from Newsweek on mutations...
2021-10-12 14:18 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.1019

Agreed - my point exactly - all perfectly true and reasonable!
2021-10-12 14:20 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.1019

But, idiots like 4$ would have a field day.
2021-10-12 14:29 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.1019

Yup.
2021-10-12 14:29 Andrew Rambaut open PDF p.1019

Delta is not the double mutant. It doesn't have E484Q
2021-10-12 14:40 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.1019

It does make my blood boil that Alina - who has legitiised hate and attacks on scientists - is featured as a victim inthat Nature piece. No doubt she will milk this on Twitter. She has done more than anyone to create a narrative that ifyou a believe in a natural origin you are part of a conspiracy.
2021-10-12 14:47 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.1019

I'll be emailing Nature as soon as this comes out to point that out - they have been asking us to fill out the questionary multiple times, but I never did. But not to realize that Alina is one of the ring leaders in _exactly what the article is about_ is pretty astonishing.
2021-10-12 14:48 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.1019

I guess Richard maybe only emailed Bob and myself... [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2021-10-12 at 14.47.41.png]
2021-10-12 14:49 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.1019

I never got that
2021-10-12 14:49 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.1019

What we really need an exposé on is the bullshit 4$Chan and eDim are doing - that's by far the biggest problem here, not you random fat angry guy from Texas sitting on his couch in his underpants while screaming at his screen about the "dumb elites!!"
2021-10-12 15:02 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.1019

@Andrew Rambaut Glad you're keeping track :wink: - I lose track - interesting how Delta outcompeted Kappa.
2021-10-12 15:04 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.1019

@Andrew Rambaut All because of P681R? I doubt it - I think this bugger might have some tricks outside that spike protein we so fondly focus on...