Private channel session 1350
31 messages over 1h 51m, 2021-05-10 – 2021-05-10.
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That letter to Science doesn't actually say anything.
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Nope. But definitely breaking news.
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I think it's FOMO for a lot of authors. Appalled by Worobey being on there. I can't see how this will possibly lead toanything.
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Baric is just trying to cover his ass. Pathetic. The last paragraph is basically 'hey, we're not racists'.
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"Not racists, however, the Chinese scientists, authorities, and public health officials are lying"
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But we Americans know better.
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There are some clearly false musings: "Although there were no findings in clear support of either a natural spilloveror a lab accident, the team assessed a zoonotic spillover from an intermediate host as "likely to very likely," and alaboratory incident as "extremely unlikely" [(4), p. 9]. Half true - as @Kristian Andersen has tweeted there are some clear findings in support of natural origin.
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"Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public." Let the record show that these scientists are accusing Tony Fauci and Francis Collins of being culpable in the alleged cover-up.This is the same talking point of the Republicans in their letter to the WH.
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Correct. False equivalence. All the data we have so far supports a natural origin - the only one missing is the intermediate host. Which may or may not exist and also wouldn't satisfy the likes of eDim.
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I laughed when I saw ""Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public."". I mean, how naive are these people?
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I assume David will personally go collect the lab books himself?
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Self-serving and hypocritical: "We should show the same determination in promoting a dispassionate science-based discourse on this difficult but important issue." Don't call us racist for accusing leading Chinese scientists of cover-upand conspiracy.
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It truly was written by Alina "I'm just asking questions" Chan. Disappointing that there were so many supposedly serious scientists with FOMO.
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Exactly. Makes me puke.
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I'm with you Eddie - very disappointing.
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Now they have _Science_ throwing it's considerable cachet behind Lab Leak . And spreading the nonsense that the WHO report had no clear findings in support of natural origin - the opposite is true.
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Interesting - shortened version of Wade's article in the NY Post. This time omitting the criticism of yours truly...https://nypost.com/2021/05/09/theory-that-covid-escaped-from-a-lab-may-not-be-far-fetched/
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Too bad - would have "loved" to have seen @Kristian Andersen on the cover of the Post. [shared file(s): image.png, image.png, image.png, image.png]
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It's such a reputable rag.
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The Grand Wizard will likely get the honors - he's in New York too so I'm sure he'll enjoy the attention. "Sneaky Pete" will be the title.
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I wonder what WHO will say? Ultimately, though, it's all pointless as I can't for a nanosecond see any detailed investigation of that they want ever occurring. Is there anyone more hypocritical than Ralph Baric?
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What they're saying here: "The information, data, and samples for the study's first phase were collected and summarized by the Chinese halfof the team; the rest of the team built on this analysis."... the Chinese fiddled with the data.
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Indeed - it's subtle. Intended to sound nefarious, but how else would the data have been collected? Nevertheless they are definitely accusing Shi et al of malfeasance not to mention killing to date over 3M people.
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@Kristian Andersen So just Don the prick's favorite cover? Sneaky Pete rips below the belt jab? Size Matters? [shared file(s): image.png]
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@Kristian Andersen Haha.
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@Kristian Andersen Oh, and his cap says "NORWAY".... Hmmmmmm. Suspicious.
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!channel - trying to write something to Jim. Thoughts on this? ```This is on background - the letter doesn't add anything and the title is literally "Investigate the origins ofCOVID-19", which I think we can all agree on and is already being done. I can give you an on-the-record comment below, but there's nothing in the letter other than a false equivalence, no data, no testable hypotheses, and noadded knowledge. As for the "investigation" they're proposing (remember, what the WHO did wasn't an"investigation" - it was a mission. The WHO doesn't have the mandate, nor do they have the resources for an"investigation"). The authors don't specify how such an investigation would be conducted and stating that "Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts." is hopelessly naive. I obviously agree that that would be great, but it's pure utopia and shows a clear lack of understanding the reality of the situation (none of the authors have direct experience working on emergence/outbreaks). As for the WHO mandate, if you haven't read this article, I can highly recommendit: https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/01/opinions/who-covid-19-origins-report-opinion-kavanagh/index.html.On-the-record - I agree with the authors that both hypotheses are possible, although as the WHO and others have concluded, not equally likely. To this day, no evidence has been presented to support a lab leak, which remainsgrounded in speculation. Instead, available data, including those derived from epidemiological, ecological, clinical, and genomic investigations, are consistent with a natural emergence of SARS-CoV-2 from a zoonotic reservoir, ashas been observed so many times in the past.```
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@Kristian Andersen Indeed - Norway exports frozen fish some of which is quite tasty.
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Great work Kristian! Perfect. No need to say anything more.
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@Kristian Andersen Apparently Sneaky Pete likes the small Norwegian sardines. [shared file(s): image.png]
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Agreed - reminding him that in fact there is a LOT of available data in clear support of a natural spillover - contrary tothis group of - I dunno - "Americites."