Private channel session 1171
49 messages over 2h 17m, 2021-03-29 – 2021-03-29.
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This figure from the report is pretty interesting - breeding of putative intermediate hosts all around Wuhan. [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2021-03-29 at 7.50.43 PM.png]
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Pretty interesting as well... [shared file(s): Animal conclusions.png]
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They don't mention raccoon dogs for sale nor have they tested them Not sure if their trade is legal
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Not sure about mink either
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I'm still reading the appendices, but not a lot of information from the market - it seems like they definitely don't think itstarted there/
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That's not how I read it
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From the main report or the appendix?
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(I haven't gotten to the main report yet...)
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Both: I read it as uncertain but possible
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There was clearly a ton of transmission that in the market and it wasn't the fruit and veg sellers
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This figure is pretty interesting [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2021-03-29 at 8.29.31 PM.png]
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The market is basically smack in the middle of the main cluster
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That line that bisects the cluster is the main river - WIV is South-East of that river, Huanan market North-West
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Interesting
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I don't suppose they looked into movement patterns? It's sorta interesting that cases South-East have no connectionto the market, while North-West do.
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If only we had timing on these cases... Where are the early cases? South-East or North-West of the river?
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Seems like North-West also primarily residential - at least from what I can get from Google Maps (naming of the districts within the city). [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2021-03-29 at 8.33.14 PM.png]
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Good questions My take on the whole thing is that they clearly think there's an intermediate host and they are holding up the marketas an example of the trade that leads to this transmission Daszak clearly thinks it the market which is why he sent me the video There's a lot on the market in the main doc - 2 journos told me they had the same impression
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Yeah, I get the sense that the Chinese are trying to deflect as much as possible away from the market, not being concerned with the lab leak because they know it didn't come from there. But it certainly isn't helping - the market,by far, seems like the most logical explanation.
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That's it!! Both Daszak and Dominic told me the same - they don't like the market link because it makes them look'dirty' and undermines their culture
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Also, if Shi is lying so is Daszak and that would take monumental cajones
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Yeah, I think they're concerned about potential "wild animal" farming and how that might have led to this - presumably big industry.
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Totally
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A little hmmmm on this one though - here's a hybrid map I made. Look at that South-East cluster. I want to know dates. [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2021-03-29 at 8.48.06 PM.png]
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Is there a different market around there too?
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Ehhh, I think all university housing around there?
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I read that as positive north, negative south?
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No - blue = no connection to market, red = connection to market
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Blue is negative?
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Ah, sorry
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All the cases south of the river are unrelated to the market - but in university housing around WIV as far as I can see.
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Need dates as you say
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Dates 100% needed on these - I want to see North cluster = first cases, South cluster = later cases
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I'll keep digging...
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You won't be alone
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That's the problem - what I'm finding here, Steve Quay will also find.
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Because the one insight he did have, was this. So he'll be doing what I'm doing right now. [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2021-03-29 at 9.02.29 PM.png]
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That was going to the care under any circumstances But there's nothing in this doc that makes a lab leak more likely
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Good. I'll keep reading.. :wink:
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So, people took a metro to 4 of the biggest hospitals in Wuhan, including the central one. And?
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Tomorrow is going to be mad
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I need some ammo from the report - so let's make sure we all post some of that!
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I.e., not what I'm doing right now :wink:
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I'm only taking questions about raccoon dogs
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Thank fuck for this! Here are the dates - starts in the North and then spread South. In other words from the Market and across the city. Good old triangulation - with, of course, a heavy bias due to the market investigation, but still. [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2021-03-29 at 9.56.07 PM.png]
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I like this report - doesn't exactly smell like a cover up. Way, way, way too many people involved at multiple different levels - and it isn't exactly a clean report, which lends credence to it being scientific, because science is messy.
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Phew. If your happy then that helps my nerves
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Quay will have his compass out
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For sure