Private channel session 926
36 messages over 2h 53m, 2021-02-05 – 2021-02-05.
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@Andrew Rambaut - do you happen to have some good curated ccCoV genomic datasets?
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I'm getting a lot of "have we reached peak fitness" (I doubt it) questions, so I'd like to get a sense of where weactually are in the cc world. I assume "peak fitness" is dominated by a bunch of local maxima - not a single big hill toclimb.
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The sequence was submitted to GenBank on the 5th - the day it was sequenced - before the paper was written. The embargo is a standard - hold until publication clause. The data was sent to the Ministry of Health on that day. Zhang also told them that it was a human respiratory pathogen. I wanted to release the sequence on that day as well butwe could not because China had imposed a gag order on the 3rd. We submitted the paper on the 7th. We very quickly heard from a reviewer that they thought it was a good idea to release the sequence as did the editor. I was trying to get Zhang to do it but he was under pressure. After Jeremy's tweet I contacted Jeremy and told him the story, although I think he was really referring to George. He said it had to be released by the Monday. So, I tried again with Zhang and he agreed. The GenBank sequence was released on the 12th. He did put his neck on the line and he did get into serious trouble. Things got so bad that I told him a few times that we should just withdraw the paper just to save him. There's nothing new here and I've explained this - including Jeremy's tweet - to get press many times. If she wants to moan it should be to the China CDC who had the data earlier and did nothing.
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Thank Eddie - And, of course, Virological release was earlier than GenBank.
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And Gisaid despite what Bogner claims.
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A little while back I think we discussed that Ct values for G614 are lower than for D614. B117 still lower, but does anyone have Ct data for B.1.351 and P.1?
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Exactly. Virological seemed the best way to get it out and Andrew and I had discussed that option already. The GISAID option never crossed my mind. To me, the key thing is that Zhang told the Ministry of Health exactly what itis was on the 5th, that it was likely a human respiratory pathogen, and that people should take precautions. That was the key info. But 100s of health care workers were infected by the time they finally admitted human-to-human transmission some weeks later. That's the true scandal.
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Oh, I missed this beauty from the Science Police. [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2021-02-05 at 12.50.04.png]
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I think he's talking about his own work at the end.
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No, the reviewer did review the paper but also said it was a good idea to release the sequence.
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@Andrew Rambaut i think it was George's paper in that case.
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@Andrew Rambaut I should email you about this so you can lay it all out for for a future FoI.
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@Andrew Rambaut "Eddie, can you just remind me what really happened?"
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@Andrew Rambaut Fortunately Zhang does not like to use email
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@Andrew Rambaut This timeline needs to be public (to the extent that it isn't already). Agree that the No H2H transmission BS cost lives. So did the this is not an airborne virus BS, but that is another story.
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@Andrew Rambaut FOIA - a doubled edged sword....
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@Andrew Rambaut I've explained all this a number of times. I think that BBC doco covers a lot of this.
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@Andrew Rambaut Indeed, so tiresome. The way they twist the story is yet more evidence that the "Science Police" force is highly corrupt.
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@Andrew Rambaut I'm just treating all this as background noise to be ignored. I never look at these people on Twitter and I bet there are others we don't even know about.
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@Andrew Rambaut YOU are a wise man Eddie!
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Found this one from Jan 5th. Somewhat prescient. I wouldn't mind this being released in a freedom of information act: [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2021-02-06 at 9.36.10 am.png]
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"very bad". No shit.
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I don't think they even accepted human-to-human transmission until about Jan 22nd.
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This is amazing - On another note - I uploaded a leaner version of the bat CoV post. Much more subtle.
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Great, I'll take a look.
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Fig.1 updated
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Fig. 2
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Fig. 2 is prob not needed - a bit redundant.
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https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/chinas-covid-secrets/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Twitter& ;utm_campaign=Trailer&utm_content=Video I recognize some of these ppl.
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Is that the same as the BBC one?
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Yes.
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Same narrator as https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/outbreak/credits/
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Metabiota is the supervillain organization in this one...
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Oh, I will watch that one then! Thanks for the new figures Bob.