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[2021-03-15 10:07:16] [Robert Garry] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/15/world-health-organisations-appeasement-china-has-made-another/ Another screed from Alina's friend, coal-miner, climate change denialist and purveyor of city-sized soft core pornography. [2021-03-15 10:08:02] [Robert Garry] This is their fall back - stop all research on viruses. [2021-03-15 10:13:41] [Kristian Andersen] He's such an idiot - I just don't understand he continues to have a platform. Also, he seemed pretty convinced HIV came from the lab... I have a copy of his book ("Genome"). I might do a ceremonial burning of it (it's shit too...). :fire: [2021-03-15 10:34:17] [Robert Garry] BTW - very nice job on 60 minutes. [2021-03-15 12:58:02] [Robert Garry] Still eagerly awaiting the WHO report. Hard to believe but Eddie's email about the smoking raccoon dog was only March 9. "the drain grates that the raccoon dogs were sitting on top of in your pictures correspond to the places in the market where they found the lowest CoV Ct values (all of this is still confidential but will be in the report I think). Seems reasonable that those guys were infected and shedding virus in their feces, as Koopmans thought it was highly unlikely that that level of CoV RNA would be in those grates from human sources." Coming to realize that the 2nd part of the email also interesting: "The WHO team also found frozen raccoon dog/ferret badger (they're unsure and I think are waiting for barcoding) carcasses still at the market, so it's possible that *some of the frozen food detections they've had could have come from the same source farm or processing plant as the live animals*." The *bolded* part would be another bullet fired from the smoking gun, if true. I've still got more questions: 1. Cases - I had to confirm that I was remembering correctly - were linked to the Huanan Market for over a MONTH. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001316 Market closed and environmental samples from the Market taken 1Jan21.I don't think that high levels of virus would stick around on a grate for all that long a period of time. Does this mean based on when the the cases showed up that there were infected animals that market for several weeks? [shared file(s): image.png] [2021-03-15 13:07:41] [Robert Garry] Question 2: Given that the virus in the environmental samples most likely came from animals in the market [I agree with Koopmans on this key point], and that the environmental samples are in fact SARS-CoV-2 (lineage B) does this mean that SC2 already fully formed has been circulating in nature? I'm having a hard time coming to any other conclusion, but would like to talked down from that as a conclusion and hear other possibilities. [2021-03-15 13:09:36] [Kristian Andersen] I don't understand the frozen food hypothesis. How did it get from bats to frozen foods and then to animals at the market? Doesn't make sense to me... [2021-03-15 13:14:26] [Robert Garry] I'm not sure it has to come from bats to the frozen foods to the animals. In fact, looks to me like SC2 is already in those animals. If I understand the EgoHealth email to Eddie and what Koopsmans had leaked to the press over the past few weeks - she thinks that some of the frozen animal samples that are positive came from the same supplier as the suppler for the raccoon dogs. Some of the frozen meat also being raccoon dogs. Koopmans said it was likely that the meat itself was positive not the outside of the package.