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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.847 [SLACK_001061] · slack_pm:msg:08798

Date: 2021-05-20 15:29
Type: chat message · slack
recipient: Kristian G. Andersen, Edward C. Holmes, Andrew Rambaut
speaker: Robert F. Garry
Topics: Intelligence community assessments

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THat mutated to: "But Bloom said there is simply not enough evidence yet to draw such a conclusion. He sees *two* possible origin stories for SARS-CoV-2. First - and here he agrees with Gostin - it originated in bats and jumped directly to humans or into another animal and then into humans. Bloom said he can't rule out another possibility: that someone in a lab in Wuhan, China, was studying the virus, collected from a bat or another animal, and accidentally released it, infecting people."Regardless of which occurred," Bloom said, "it would be really scientifically beneficial, and I think also beneficial for our ability to understand and prevent future pandemics, to really understand the initial events."

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Bloom said he can't rule out another possibility: that someone in a lab in Wuhan, China, was studying the virus, collected from a bat or another animal, and accidentally released it, infecting people."Regardless of which occurred," Bloom said, "it would be really scientifically beneficial, and I think also beneficial for our ability to understand and prevent future pandemics, to really understand the initial events."	quoted / not their view	quoted_external inside quotation marks	denies

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Bloom said he can't rule out another possibility: that someone in a lab in Wuhan, China, was studying the virus, collected from a bat or another animal, and accidentally released it, infecting people."Regardless of which occurred," Bloom said, "it would be really scientifically beneficial, and I think also beneficial for our ability to understand and prevent future pandemics, to really understand the initial events."

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2021-05-20 15:29 Robert F. Garry open

FYI Jesse is flipping and flopping too! ORIGINALLY HE SAID: "But Bloom said there is simply not enough evidence yet to draw such a conclusion. He sees *three* possible origin stories for SARS-CoV-2. First - and here he agrees with Gostin - it originated in bats and jumped directly to humans or into another animal and then into humans. Bloom said he can't rule out two other possibilities: that someone in a lab in Wuhan, China, was studying the virus, collected from a bat or another animal, and accidentally released it, infecting people; *or that it was an intentionalrelease by a researcher working with the virus.*"Regardless of which occurred," Bloom said, "it would be really scientifically beneficial, and I think also beneficial for our ability to understand and prevent future pandemics, to really understand the initial events." [shared file(s): image.png]
2021-05-20 15:29 Robert F. Garry

THat mutated to: "But Bloom said there is simply not enough evidence yet to draw such a conclusion. He sees *two* possible origin stories for SARS-CoV-2. First - and here he agrees with Gostin - it originated in bats and jumped directly to humans or into another animal and then into humans. Bloom said he can't rule out another possibility: that someone in a lab in Wuhan, China, was studying the virus, collected from a bat or another animal, and accidentally released it, infecting people."Regardless of which occurred," Bloom said, "it would be really scientifically beneficial, and I think also beneficial for our ability to understand and prevent future pandemics, to really understand the initial events."
2021-05-20 15:33 Kristian G. Andersen open

I'd LOVE to hear their argument for why they think engineering is so unlikely. You can't really have one and not the other.
2021-05-20 15:33 Robert F. Garry open

USAToday covering up for the Bloomshit was well. That's not reporting. Interview had to have been recorded and Idoubt she misquoted him originally. In the real world the correction would have said something like - the scientist changed his mind or something to that effect.
2021-05-20 15:39 Robert F. Garry open

Soooo are the Bloomshitters now saying that engineering is off the table? Lab Leak is just the accident part? Seriously - this really is Bullshit. Butt Lession is a known commodity. But whipping up this hysteria about an accidental lab leak that Relman says the might not have even known??? Wars literally have been started over lower level bullshit. If you think Trump/Pompeo were not gunning for it or art least discussing it - well - you would bemistaken.
2021-05-20 15:48 Edward C. Holmes open

Aren't they then just agreeing with what we said in the PO paper???

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