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Date
2021-05-17 18:17
Type
chat message · slack
recipient
Kristian G. Andersen, Robert F. Garry, Andrew Rambaut
speaker
Edward C. Holmes
Topics
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"It's complicated. Many bats have maternity roosts, so there is sexual segregation for certain parts of the year during breeding, in China that period will vary, but we see most females starting to give birth in late April-May. They will then nurse their baby (typically one) for a number of months, and the Rhinos will leave young in a "creche" duringforaging, whereas some other species will often feed whilst carrying their young. Those activities are finished by November, but at least some species have the mating period then (most species have delayed implantation, or delayed fertilisation etc capabilities). The Rhino's are very polygamous with veryscewed success ratios, so a minority of males mate with all the females (there is paternity data for some colonies,and some males have many tens of offspring in a year whereas others have none). Other taxa have differentpatterns, in Hipposiderids, especially larger species males may fight and they have enlarged glands and areexceedingly aggressive (normally on the face, though some other genera within Hipposideridae have them elsewhere-such as the chest). Following from this there is a shift in cave use, Hipposiderids show evidence ofmigration in some species within China-we see them appearing for a small period of the year and their morphologyand habitat use means they are able to move long distances and are almost certainly migratory (for at least larger species, smaller species like Aselliscus will hibernate, and actually go into a much deeper daily torpour even atmoderately low temperatures).Rhinolophids clearly also change roosts then, possibly choosing deeper, more thermally stable caves. So that periodof the year is basically pretty high stress, most species will be changing roosts, so there are different communities,less sexual segregation than the rest of the year, lower food (so physical stress). This period is also when fungalpathogens like whitenose syndrome appear-so it is likely that during torpour they may be downregulating thefunctions that allow various pathogens to stay at lower levels and it may be that viral load would be higher at this time.In a disturbed cave, with higher stress this is likely to increase, they are also more likely to leave the cave in such conditions, which of course increases the interface for spillover to occur.-Rhinos and Hippos are sister groups, so may share traits, and in some cases roost in close proximaty, during coolerperiods and hibernation smaller species may cluster to roost together, so there is also a potential for spillover between taxa there-though largely in the smaller species (larger Rhinolophids are solitary and rarely use large orcommunal caves, and large Hipposiderids are too aggressive)."

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  1. 2021-05-17 17:27 Edward C. Holmes open
    This from Alice. She's a bat ecologist who actually lives and works in Yunnan: "In Mid-Northern Yunnan Rhinolophids hibernate, down in the tropics we have not found hibernacula, but the numbers we capture go right down so they are either using different areas or inaccessible hibernacula-there is always some activity though, so atleast some individuals in South Yunnan never hibernate, some may-but only for a very short period."
  2. 2021-05-17 17:31 Kristian G. Andersen open
    Do they migrate at all or move around for any of these events? I'm wondering if there's some sort of connection between the winter months and the virus getting into contact with intermediate hosts. HKU-1 also happened in the winter - probably January.
  3. 2021-05-17 17:36 Edward C. Holmes open
    I'll check.
  4. 2021-05-17 18:17 Edward C. Holmes open
    More from Alice. I asked here in there might be more opportunities for cross-species transmission during Nov-Jan.
  5. 2021-05-17 18:17 Edward C. Holmes
    "It's complicated. Many bats have maternity roosts, so there is sexual segregation for certain parts of the year during breeding, in China that period will vary, but we see most females starting to give birth in late April-May. They will then nurse their baby (typically one) for a number of months, and the Rhinos will leave young in a "creche" duringforaging, whereas some other species will often feed whilst carrying their young. Those activities are finished by November, but at least some species have the mating period then (most species have delayed implantation, or delayed fertilisation etc capabilities). The Rhino's are very polygamous with veryscewed success ratios, so a minority of males mate with all the females (there is paternity data for some colonies,and some males have many tens of offspring in a year whereas others have none). Other taxa have differentpatterns, in Hipposiderids, especially larger species males may fight and they have enlarged glands and areexceedingly aggressive (normally on the face, though some other genera within Hipposideridae have them elsewhere-such as the chest). Following from this there is a shift in cave use, Hipposiderids show evidence ofmigration in some species within China-we see them appearing for a small period of the year and their morphologyand habitat use means they are able to move long distances and are almost certainly migratory (for at least larger species, smaller species like Aselliscus will hibernate, and actually go into a much deeper daily torpour even atmoderately low temperatures).Rhinolophids clearly also change roosts then, possibly choosing deeper, more thermally stable caves. So that periodof the year is basically pretty high stress, most species will be changing roosts, so there are different communities,less sexual segregation than the rest of the year, lower food (so physical stress). This period is also when fungalpathogens like whitenose syndrome appear-so it is likely that during torpour they may be downregulating thefunctions that allow various pathogens to stay at lower levels and it may be that viral load would be higher at this time.In a disturbed cave, with higher stress this is likely to increase, they are also more likely to leave the cave in such conditions, which of course increases the interface for spillover to occur.-Rhinos and Hippos are sister groups, so may share traits, and in some cases roost in close proximaty, during coolerperiods and hibernation smaller species may cluster to roost together, so there is also a potential for spillover between taxa there-though largely in the smaller species (larger Rhinolophids are solitary and rarely use large orcommunal caves, and large Hipposiderids are too aggressive)."
  6. 2021-05-17 19:00 Robert F. Garry open
    Super-interesting Eddie - learning a lot!
  7. 2021-05-17 19:06 Robert F. Garry open
    Reminds me I need to find some African Batpeople. And snake hunters too - I'm pretty sure the rock pythons have reptarenaviruses. Kristian once volunteered to help IIRC (some rock pythons get to be 10 meters).
  8. 2021-05-17 19:20 Edward C. Holmes open
    Amazing what you learn when you actually ask an expert. Certainly plenty of opportunities for transmission during the colder months.

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