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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.827 [SLACK_001041] · slack_pm:msg:08627

Date: 2021-05-17 16:49
Type: chat message · slack
recipient: Robert F. Garry, Edward C. Holmes, Andrew Rambaut
speaker: Kristian G. Andersen

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From the PolitiFact article: "Furthermore, the first cases of the coronavirus occurred in September when cold temperatures drive horseshoe bats into hibernation" Eh, no, actually, November the likely month (December confirmed). And let's not forget - when were the first casesof SARS discovered? That's right, November.

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2021-05-17 16:11 Robert F. Garry open

The Politifact article has been updated with a few paragraphs from Baric. If he was a politician we'd call it flippingand flopping and trying to play both sides.https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/may/17/debating-origins-covid-19-virus-what-we-know-what-/
2021-05-17 16:23 Edward C. Holmes open

Extraordinary.
2021-05-17 16:29 Robert F. Garry open

Yeah - he may be having a second thought or two about signing on to that really really dumb letter.
2021-05-17 16:45 Edward C. Holmes open

A letter which proposes his collaborators have lied.
2021-05-17 16:49 Kristian G. Andersen

From the PolitiFact article: "Furthermore, the first cases of the coronavirus occurred in September when cold temperatures drive horseshoe bats into hibernation" Eh, no, actually, November the likely month (December confirmed). And let's not forget - when were the first casesof SARS discovered? That's right, November.
2021-05-17 16:52 Edward C. Holmes open

Plus why did it come directly from bats?
2021-05-17 17:11 Kristian G. Andersen open

This quote from Joel is :fire: "But not having answers to difficult scientific questions shouldn't force us to default to conspiracy theories," he said."It took scientists decades of research to find the chimpanzee host populations for the HIV/AIDS pandemic."
2021-05-17 17:12 Kristian G. Andersen open

That's exactly right. We should probably involve him in this little project too - they have been looking pretty carefullyat the early events and I know he's been doing some studies to show that there are no signs of culture adaptation.
2021-05-17 17:27 Edward C. Holmes open

This from Alice. She's a bat ecologist who actually lives and works in Yunnan: "In Mid-Northern Yunnan Rhinolophids hibernate, down in the tropics we have not found hibernacula, but the numbers we capture go right down so they are either using different areas or inaccessible hibernacula-there is always some activity though, so atleast some individuals in South Yunnan never hibernate, some may-but only for a very short period."

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