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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.764 [SLACK_000978] · slack_pm:msg:07998

Date: 2021-05-09 07:51
Type: chat message · slack
recipient: Kristian G. Andersen, Edward C. Holmes, Andrew Rambaut
speaker: Robert F. Garry

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That would be good. Hit her hard - gloves off! We cut some of the stuff Angie alluded to from Holmes 2020 (virological): "Based on a lower substitution rate for SARS-CoV-2 compared to the earliest isolates of SARS-CoV,Zhan, Davidson and Chan (2020) concluded that it was possible that SARS-CoV-2 had been pre-adapted for human growth in the laboratory. However, there has also been limited sampling early in the COVID-19 outbreak, precludingobservation of an early period of increased generation of variants followed by purifying selection (Park et al., 2015).It is not unusual for related viruses to have substitution rates that vary in the range seen by Zhan, Davidson and Chan (2020). For example: the rates of nucleotide substitution in the four serotypes of DENV--range from 4.55 ×10^-4 (DEN-1) to 11.58 × 10^-4 (DEN-3) substitutions per site, per year (Twidy, Holmes, Rambaut, 2003)."

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2021-05-09 05:42 Robert F. Garry open

Angie vs Wade and Alina [Alina takes the bait]. https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1391005869161259011
2021-05-09 06:08 Robert F. Garry open

They are ALL writing books - she's among the worst of the journos, but I add points for at least admitting she believes it's all cover-up and conspiracy. [shared file(s): image.png]
2021-05-09 06:58 Kristian G. Andersen open

Oh Alina... I might jump in a little later.
2021-05-09 07:51 Robert F. Garry

That would be good. Hit her hard - gloves off! We cut some of the stuff Angie alluded to from Holmes 2020 (virological): "Based on a lower substitution rate for SARS-CoV-2 compared to the earliest isolates of SARS-CoV,Zhan, Davidson and Chan (2020) concluded that it was possible that SARS-CoV-2 had been pre-adapted for human growth in the laboratory. However, there has also been limited sampling early in the COVID-19 outbreak, precludingobservation of an early period of increased generation of variants followed by purifying selection (Park et al., 2015).It is not unusual for related viruses to have substitution rates that vary in the range seen by Zhan, Davidson and Chan (2020). For example: the rates of nucleotide substitution in the four serotypes of DENV--range from 4.55 ×10^-4 (DEN-1) to 11.58 × 10^-4 (DEN-3) substitutions per site, per year (Twidy, Holmes, Rambaut, 2003)."
2021-05-09 07:53 Robert F. Garry open

I have a feeling that Wade and RelBloom are going to get a lot of attention.

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