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Date: 2021-04-23 03:03
Type: chat message · slack
recipient: Kristian G. Andersen, Robert F. Garry, Andrew Rambaut
speaker: Edward C. Holmes
Topics: Natural origin / zoonotic spillover Intelligence community assessments WHO and international investigation

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Oh, forgot the bat collider. The journo is finding that this whole wildlife industry is run by some very dodgy people "The pangolins often end up at these places then are "transferred" out to "licensed breeders" who often really haveno reason to have pangolins, at least in Guangxi and one other provincial rescue center I know that's been looked into by NGOs here.I keep coming up with potentially problematic people in the layers around this park/wildlife zoo/rescue center. For example, the VP of the Forestry University in Hubei, who is also the legal rep for the whole park, was given a party warning in September 2019 over a large scale misuse of subsidies. The head of the center himself who is also atthat same university may have been an investor in a wildlife farm in Yunnan, his name shows up in the records, but need to make sure it's the exact same person."

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The journo is finding that this whole wildlife industry is run by some very dodgy people "The pangolins often end up at these places then are "transferred" out to "licensed breeders" who often really haveno reason to have pangolins, at least in Guangxi and one other provincial rescue center I know that's been looked into by NGOs here.I keep coming up with potentially problematic people in the layers around this park/wildlife zoo/rescue center.	quoted / not their view	quoted_external sentence carries quotation marks	asserts

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The journo is finding that this whole wildlife industry is run by some very dodgy people "The pangolins often end up at these places then are "transferred" out to "licensed breeders" who often really haveno reason to have pangolins, at least in Guangxi and one other provincial rescue center I know that's been looked into by NGOs here.I keep coming up with potentially problematic people in the layers around this park/wildlife zoo/rescue center.

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2021-04-23 02:11 Edward C. Holmes open

From journo in Wuhan "This from the wildlife rescue center is interesting. These places are potentially as or more dangerous for spreading animal disease than wet markets if there is that big a mix of wildlife present, potentiallydiseased wildlife since they've been rescued. This place is within the park, as is that wildlife zoo [connected to thenotorious tiger farm in Guangxi], and all overseen by the Hubei Provincial Forestry Bureau.Statement from 2012: http://lyj.hubei.gov.cn/jhyjzx/kpyd/201912/t20191210_1731975.shtml The Provincial Wildlife Rescue Center is located in the picturesque and beautiful Wuhan Jiufeng National Forest Park. It covers an area of73.5 acres and has a green coverage rate of over 80%. Since its establishment, the center has rescued and rescuedmore than 129,000 heads of 89 species of national key protected wild animals, such as golden monkeys, blackbears, pythons, and gray cranes, such as golden monkeys, black bears, pythons, and gray cranes. It has carried out more than 150 release activities and released more than 121,000 animals ( A herbarium has been established, andan animal science education base has been established in Changqing Primary School. At present, there are more than 185 wild animals of 12 species in the park, with 68 wild animal specimens.They also released this about regulations for collecting, storing and transporting animal disease samples.http://lyj.hubei.gov.cn/jhyjzx/kpyd/202012/t20201228_3133761.shtml Were they storing disease samples on sight?Wonder how biosecure the place was?"
2021-04-23 02:14 Edward C. Holmes open

He's certainly right about rescue centres (which is of course where the pangolins ended up). We have them here aswell, hence that bat video I sent the other day. The idea that we can prevent people from interacting with wildlife isridiculous.
2021-04-23 02:33 Andrew Rambaut open

Also the Large Bat Collider
2021-04-23 03:03 Edward C. Holmes

Oh, forgot the bat collider. The journo is finding that this whole wildlife industry is run by some very dodgy people "The pangolins often end up at these places then are "transferred" out to "licensed breeders" who often really haveno reason to have pangolins, at least in Guangxi and one other provincial rescue center I know that's been looked into by NGOs here.I keep coming up with potentially problematic people in the layers around this park/wildlife zoo/rescue center. For example, the VP of the Forestry University in Hubei, who is also the legal rep for the whole park, was given a party warning in September 2019 over a large scale misuse of subsidies. The head of the center himself who is also atthat same university may have been an investor in a wildlife farm in Yunnan, his name shows up in the records, but need to make sure it's the exact same person."

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