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Slack / Private Message Drop, pp.723-724 · slack_pm:msg:07586

Date: 2021-04-21 08:43 (hour precision)
Type: chat message · slack
recipient: Kristian G. Andersen, Robert F. Garry, Edward C. Holmes
speaker: Andrew Rambaut
Topics: Intelligence community assessments Media strategy and public messaging Congressional oversight Natural origin / zoonotic spillover

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I got this last night: "Dear Dr. Rambaut, I hope this message finds you well. I am writing from the PLOS Publication Ethics team to ask if you might be able tohelp advise us on a pending post-publication case involving the above PLOS Pathogens article. Several concerns have been raised about the article, including about apparent overlap or redundancy with other publications and about the availability of the underlying data. The authors have worked with us to address these issues, and based on the outcome of these discussions we have prepared the attached notice draft. However, before we proceed further or decide whether this would be suitable for a Correction (vs. a different type of editorial notice), we are seeking to have the underlying data reviewed. The underlying data were not provided or evaluatedduring the pre-publication peer review, and the outcome of this post-publication case will depend on whether the data support the reported results and conclusions, and whether they fully address PLOS' Data Availabilityrequirements.The data in question include pangolin SARS-CoV-2 sequencing data available through NCBI as well as gap-fillingamplicon and contig sequencing datas provided in the attached files. In essence, we are seeking expert input as towhether the dataset provided is complete (per community data reporting standards for this type of study, and per the results reported in the article), whether the data are overall satisfactory, and whether the data provide clear andadequate support for the article's results and conclusions. If there are any concerns about the dataset or how the data align with the reported claims, we would also appreciate input on whether the issue could be addressed via aCorrection or whether it has substantial implications for the reliability and/or validity of the article's conclusions. One of the PLOS Pathogens Editors-in-Chief suggested you may be able recommend possible reviewers (e.g.bioinformaticians or viral genomics researchers) who could help with this data review. Do you have any suggestions? Alternatively, if you would be able to help review the data yourself, we would also be truly grateful for that level of support. Thank you in advance for any help you can offer at this time. If you have any questions about this case or this request, please email me and I would be happy to provide any clarifications.Thank you for your time and consideration. I look forward to hearing from you. Best regards,ReneeRenee Hoch, Ph.D.Senior Editor, Team Manager Publication Ethics PLOS I plos.org--researchers to transform science CONFIDENTIAL: This email and any attachments are confidential and for the sole use of the individual(s) to whom SLACK_000938 they are addressed. If you have received this message in error please delete the message and notify the sender. Note that information and text in this correspondence should not be disclosed, copied, distributed, or used withoutexplicit permission from PLOS. Case Number:iaref:_OODUOIfis._!BOET:ref* Anyone know what this is about? Anyone want me to suggest them?

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If there are any concerns about the dataset or how the data align with the reported claims, we would also appreciate input on whether the issue could be addressed via aCorrection or whether it has substantial implications for the reliability and/or validity of the article's conclusions.	quoted / not their view	quoted_external attribution frame: 'per'	reports
One of the PLOS Pathogens Editors-in-Chief suggested you may be able recommend possible reviewers (e.g.bioinformaticians or viral genomics researchers) who could help with this data review.	own voice, substantive	speaker_own	asserts

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If there are any concerns about the dataset or how the data align with the reported claims, we would also appreciate input on whether the issue could be addressed via aCorrection or whether it has substantial implications for the reliability and/or validity of the article's conclusions.

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quoted_external attribution frame: 'per'

reports

One of the PLOS Pathogens Editors-in-Chief suggested you may be able recommend possible reviewers (e.g.bioinformaticians or viral genomics researchers) who could help with this data review.

own voice, substantive

speaker_own

asserts

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2021-04-21 08:43 Kristian G. Andersen open

True. SLACK_000937
2021-04-21 08:43 Robert F. Garry open

Angie fights back https:/www.nature.con/articles/s41591-021-01314-9
2021-04-21 08:43 Robert F. Garry open

Concerted attack on AR by DRASTIC - Yuri claims he's the victim.
2021-04-21 08:43 Robert F. Garry open

And in related news - Alina still with the attacks on Eddie and the Pango papers - but - of course - call her out for herbullying and she plays the victim. Gullible journos eat it up or in the case of some (e.g. Jackson Ryan) get into the act as well. Truly Focanuba. [shared file(s): image.png, image.png]
2021-04-21 08:43 Andrew Rambaut

I got this last night: "Dear Dr. Rambaut, I hope this message finds you well. I am writing from the PLOS Publication Ethics team to ask if you might be able tohelp advise us on a pending post-publication case involving the above PLOS Pathogens article. Several concerns have been raised about the article, including about apparent overlap or redundancy with other publications and about the availability of the underlying data. The authors have worked with us to address these issues, and based on the outcome of these discussions we have prepared the attached notice draft. However, before we proceed further or decide whether this would be suitable for a Correction (vs. a different type of editorial notice), we are seeking to have the underlying data reviewed. The underlying data were not provided or evaluatedduring the pre-publication peer review, and the outcome of this post-publication case will depend on whether the data support the reported results and conclusions, and whether they fully address PLOS' Data Availabilityrequirements.The data in question include pangolin SARS-CoV-2 sequencing data available through NCBI as well as gap-fillingamplicon and contig sequencing datas provided in the attached files. In essence, we are seeking expert input as towhether the dataset provided is complete (per community data reporting standards for this type of study, and per the results reported in the article), whether the data are overall satisfactory, and whether the data provide clear andadequate support for the article's results and conclusions. If there are any concerns about the dataset or how the data align with the reported claims, we would also appreciate input on whether the issue could be addressed via aCorrection or whether it has substantial implications for the reliability and/or validity of the article's conclusions. One of the PLOS Pathogens Editors-in-Chief suggested you may be able recommend possible reviewers (e.g.bioinformaticians or viral genomics researchers) who could help with this data review. Do you have any suggestions? Alternatively, if you would be able to help review the data yourself, we would also be truly grateful for that level of support. Thank you in advance for any help you can offer at this time. If you have any questions about this case or this request, please email me and I would be happy to provide any clarifications.Thank you for your time and consideration. I look forward to hearing from you. Best regards,ReneeRenee Hoch, Ph.D.Senior Editor, Team Manager Publication Ethics PLOS I plos.org--researchers to transform science CONFIDENTIAL: This email and any attachments are confidential and for the sole use of the individual(s) to whom SLACK_000938 they are addressed. If you have received this message in error please delete the message and notify the sender. Note that information and text in this correspondence should not be disclosed, copied, distributed, or used withoutexplicit permission from PLOS. Case Number:iaref:_OODUOIfis._!BOET:ref* Anyone know what this is about? Anyone want me to suggest them?
2021-04-21 08:43 Andrew Rambaut open

Refers to this paper: RE: "Are pangolins the intermediate host of the 2019 novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2)?" (https://doi.org/10.137 1/journal.ppat. 1008421)
2021-04-21 08:43 Robert F. Garry open

Timely - since Alina is directing more BS at @Eddie Holmes new pango paper - who would have thought pangos could carry more than one respiratory pathogen? Pretty sure this in more Alina bullying - guessing she sent a new round of letters to PLOS and Nature. @Kristian Andersen answered this on virological. *Vegard Eldholm & OlaB Brynildsrud* _ Norwegian Institute of Public Health_ also weighed in. The horse is dead, but Alina keeps beating it.PLOS should do more than just say the data is ok - it should call out the Alina crap.
2021-04-21 08:43 Kristian G. Andersen open

Probably just need to reassemble the virus genomes from the provided data - happy to do it @Andrew Rambaut
2021-04-21 08:43 Robert F. Garry open

Rossana (Yuri's "co=pilot") too - make no mistake RS is accusing us (PO authors) of malfeasance. [shared file(s): image.png, image.png]

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