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Date
2020-11-27 09:03
Type
chat message · slack
recipient
Robert F. Garry, Edward C. Holmes, Andrew Rambaut
speaker
Kristian G. Andersen

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  1. 2020-11-27 08:18 Kristian G. Andersen open
    Sharing this in case there's any interest/relevance. I obviously have nothing to add... [shared file(s): Re: Wuhan market floorplan]
  2. 2020-11-27 08:51 Andrew Rambaut open
    I just had an interesting phone call from the WHO (Mark Perkin's group). Apparently with the upcoming 'investigation' into the virus origins, the Chinese are pushing the narrative that the virus started in Italy and then spread to Wuhan. Apparently it is based on some phylogenetics (presumably the shit rooting using RaTG13). I told them this was categorically a very unparsimonious explanation of the data because it would need to be an ancestral virus to Wuhan that was then not seen in Italy subsequently. And that we see the sequence of mutations appearingas the virus spreads.
  3. 2020-11-27 08:52 Andrew Rambaut open
    Anyway - Mark and group were quite happy with the explanation I gave I think.
  4. 2020-11-27 08:59 Kristian G. Andersen open
    Oh boy - if they start pushing crazy theories like that as an official narrative, then they'll lose credibility immediately. Ithink there's little reason to believe this virus did not come from somewhere in China - sure, could have beenneighboring countries, but Europe? No. Yes, I know they got a few hits for the virus in earlier samples from Italy, butI don't buy it.The rooting IS funky though... I don't think it's unreasonable that we might have had two early emergence events, one of which got massively amplified in Wuhan via early super spreading? I don't think the emergence was inWuhan - probably somewhere else with large-scale animal farming and bats around.
  5. 2020-11-27 09:03 Kristian G. Andersen
    https://twitter.com/kakape/status/1332369284186726402?s=20

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