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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.188 [SLACK_000402] · slack_pm:msg:01941

Date: 2020-09-22 10:24
Type: chat message · slack
recipient: Kristian G. Andersen, Edward C. Holmes, Andrew Rambaut
speaker: Robert F. Garry
Topics: China relations and data access Vaccines Wuhan Institute of Virology collaboration Media strategy and public messaging

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Yan Limeng claimed to publish a second paper, which will present all the characteristics of the virus. (the Internet)AAAAfter Li Meng Yan, a former researcher at the School of Public Health of Hong Kong University and a Chinese virologist who fled to the United States, posted on Twitter last Monday (14) alleging that the Chinese military laboratory produced the Wuhan pneumonia virus, her Twitter account was immediately blocked. In an interview with the "Talkradio 77 WABC" radio station on Sunday (20th), she pointed out that the Wuhan pneumonia virus is anenhanced version of the SARS virus, and that the CCP may release other viruses. Yan Limeng said that she will publish a second report soon, claiming that together with the first report before, it will show all the characteristics of the Wuhan pneumonia virus, and referring to the unusual characteristics of the virus and the explanation of how China can produce the virus. And the expertise of the Chinese government and their laboratories found that the virus was changed to specifically target humans in the laboratory.As for whether there is a vaccine for Wuhan pneumonia in China, Yan Limeng pointed out that China uses traditionalmethods to produce the virus, but vaccine development and antidote are another matter. "First of all, this (virus) isan enhanced version of SARS-1..., but until today We know that there is still no vaccine for SARS-1." Regarding the future global epidemic, she said: "(The virus) has caused a historical pandemic. Because it is highlycontagious and there is no effective way to control it, the most important thing is that it was deliberately released from the laboratory. So there will be viruses that are released again and again, maybe even other types of mutantsor viruses, so we should not expect that the virus will be controlled quickly and everything will return to normal. Thisis impossible." Yan Limeng emphasized, "The only thing we have to do is to solve the virus from the root cause, just like treating apatient, you must understand the cause of the disease in order to be able to treat it effectively. The root cause hereis the CCP. They are responsible and conduct a thorough investigation. This is the solution to the virus."

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And the expertise of the Chinese government and their laboratories found that the virus was changed to specifically target humans in the laboratory.As for whether there is a vaccine for Wuhan pneumonia in China, Yan Limeng pointed out that China uses traditionalmethods to produce the virus, but vaccine development and antidote are another matter.	quoted / not their view	quoted_external inside quotation marks	asserts
"First of all, this (virus) isan enhanced version of SARS-1..., but until today We know that there is still no vaccine for SARS-1." Regarding the future global epidemic, she said: "(The virus) has caused a historical pandemic.	quoted / not their view	quoted_external inside quotation marks	asserts

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And the expertise of the Chinese government and their laboratories found that the virus was changed to specifically target humans in the laboratory.As for whether there is a vaccine for Wuhan pneumonia in China, Yan Limeng pointed out that China uses traditionalmethods to produce the virus, but vaccine development and antidote are another matter.

quoted / not their view

quoted_external inside quotation marks

asserts

"First of all, this (virus) isan enhanced version of SARS-1..., but until today We know that there is still no vaccine for SARS-1." Regarding the future global epidemic, she said: "(The virus) has caused a historical pandemic.

quoted / not their view

quoted_external inside quotation marks

asserts

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2020-09-22 10:24 Robert F. Garry open

So much for letting science drive the analysis: https://hk.appledaily.com/china/20200921/JENA7RUJHZHYXBMZ6ZN5WSDGME/
2020-09-22 10:24 Robert F. Garry

Yan Limeng claimed to publish a second paper, which will present all the characteristics of the virus. (the Internet)AAAAfter Li Meng Yan, a former researcher at the School of Public Health of Hong Kong University and a Chinese virologist who fled to the United States, posted on Twitter last Monday (14) alleging that the Chinese military laboratory produced the Wuhan pneumonia virus, her Twitter account was immediately blocked. In an interview with the "Talkradio 77 WABC" radio station on Sunday (20th), she pointed out that the Wuhan pneumonia virus is anenhanced version of the SARS virus, and that the CCP may release other viruses. Yan Limeng said that she will publish a second report soon, claiming that together with the first report before, it will show all the characteristics of the Wuhan pneumonia virus, and referring to the unusual characteristics of the virus and the explanation of how China can produce the virus. And the expertise of the Chinese government and their laboratories found that the virus was changed to specifically target humans in the laboratory.As for whether there is a vaccine for Wuhan pneumonia in China, Yan Limeng pointed out that China uses traditionalmethods to produce the virus, but vaccine development and antidote are another matter. "First of all, this (virus) isan enhanced version of SARS-1..., but until today We know that there is still no vaccine for SARS-1." Regarding the future global epidemic, she said: "(The virus) has caused a historical pandemic. Because it is highlycontagious and there is no effective way to control it, the most important thing is that it was deliberately released from the laboratory. So there will be viruses that are released again and again, maybe even other types of mutantsor viruses, so we should not expect that the virus will be controlled quickly and everything will return to normal. Thisis impossible." Yan Limeng emphasized, "The only thing we have to do is to solve the virus from the root cause, just like treating apatient, you must understand the cause of the disease in order to be able to treat it effectively. The root cause hereis the CCP. They are responsible and conduct a thorough investigation. This is the solution to the virus."
2020-09-22 10:58 Robert F. Garry open

Unfortunately, the agency that formerly tried to live up to it's name (CDC) has shed any pretense that they are anything but a political arm of the Trump White House. The FDA is following right around the corner.
2020-09-22 10:58 Andrew Rambaut open

https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/pubs_archive/pubs-pdfs/2020/200921-in-response-yan.pdf
2020-09-22 11:04 Kristian G. Andersen open

Holy shit - some other scientists stepped up. Haven't read that response yet - any good?

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