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Date: 2020-08-20 07:52
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recipient: Kristian G. Andersen, Edward C. Holmes, Andrew Rambaut
speaker: Robert F. Garry

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https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/08/long-haulers-covid-19-recognition-support-groups-symptoms/61 5382/ Ed is the best in the business. This article however has some stuff in it that is rather troublesome: One examples: "Several studies have found that most COVID-19 patients produce antibodies that recognize the new coronavirus, and that these molecules endure for months. Their presence should confirm whether a long-hauler was indeed infected. But there's a catch: Most existing antibody studies focused on either hospitalized patients or those with mild symptoms and swift recoveries. By contrast, Putrino told me that in his survey of 1,400 long-haulers,two-thirds of those who have had antibody tests got negative results, even though their symptoms were consistent with COVID-19. Nichols, for example, tested negative for antibodies after twice testing positive for the coronavirus itself. "Just because you're negative for antibodies doesn't mean you didn't have COVID-19," Putrino said." Really??? - "two-thirds of those who have had antibody tests got negative results" - I'm incredulous...

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2020-08-20 06:51 Kristian G. Andersen open

Yup
2020-08-20 07:08 Robert F. Garry open

Science has always been political, but often in a good way. NIH has usually been at least somewhat off limits. Not with this administration obviously.
2020-08-20 07:52 Robert F. Garry

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/08/long-haulers-covid-19-recognition-support-groups-symptoms/61 5382/ Ed is the best in the business. This article however has some stuff in it that is rather troublesome: One examples: "Several studies have found that most COVID-19 patients produce antibodies that recognize the new coronavirus, and that these molecules endure for months. Their presence should confirm whether a long-hauler was indeed infected. But there's a catch: Most existing antibody studies focused on either hospitalized patients or those with mild symptoms and swift recoveries. By contrast, Putrino told me that in his survey of 1,400 long-haulers,two-thirds of those who have had antibody tests got negative results, even though their symptoms were consistent with COVID-19. Nichols, for example, tested negative for antibodies after twice testing positive for the coronavirus itself. "Just because you're negative for antibodies doesn't mean you didn't have COVID-19," Putrino said." Really??? - "two-thirds of those who have had antibody tests got negative results" - I'm incredulous...
2020-08-20 07:54 Kristian G. Andersen open

Yeah, it was an issue in his first article too - I suspect the vast majority of these people are, in fact, not COVIDsurvivors...
2020-08-20 08:06 Robert F. Garry open

CFS is a real thing, but faking it is also real as is fake COVID.
2020-08-20 08:17 Robert F. Garry open

So unlike Ed - you would have thought he might have included someone just a little bit skeptical.
2020-08-20 08:19 Kristian G. Andersen open

Yeah, I think he has a bit of a blind spot when it comes to these people - they have very personal stories and are clearly sick, but it's just not clear that it's due to COVID.

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