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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.36 [SLACK_000250] · slack_pm:msg:00361

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Date
2020-05-24 15:26
Type
chat message · slack
recipient
Kristian G. Andersen, Robert F. Garry, Andrew Rambaut
speaker
Edward C. Holmes
Topics
China relations and data access

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Although CGTN is a propaganda organ for the Chinese government, what she said rang true to me.

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  1. 2020-05-24 15:18 Edward C. Holmes open
    Curefinder? I tried it and got arsefinger.
  2. 2020-05-24 15:22 Kristian G. Andersen open
    Use a proper translator... This one should be easy :wink:
  3. 2020-05-24 15:26 Edward C. Holmes
    Although CGTN is a propaganda organ for the Chinese government, what she said rang true to me.
  4. 2020-05-24 15:30 Kristian G. Andersen open
    Yes, although I don't buy her "we were only interested in SARS-like CoVs, and something like SARS-CoV-2 is too far away from that, so we'd never have it here". That's just not true and not a good argument. I liked her commentson RaTG13 though, because it displays something important which she didn't say - yes, they have a lot of samples from bats and other animals - as well as a lot of sequences - but taking a sample and growing an actual virus out ofit is really, really difficult. So with tens of thousands of samples (most of them with no SARS-like viruses in them), one could only hope to maybe grow out a handful of viruses - what's the chance of out of that handful, one of them would be a super-charged pandemic virus?
  5. 2020-05-24 15:36 Edward C. Holmes open
    Yes, I agree. And surely you'd only grow a virus that you sequenced and likely published?
  6. 2020-05-24 15:37 Kristian G. Andersen open
    Yes to the former, but not the latter - no, I don't think they would have published their sequences before also havinggrown it (however, somebody should have known about such a sequence if it existed and I'm pretty sure something would have been leaked by now)
  7. 2020-05-24 15:47 Edward C. Holmes open
    One that latter point, I am struck by the complete lack of intelligence on this: surely, if they were growing a virus inthe lab, incident or not, there would be standard chatter about it on email, text, weichat, whatever, but there's nothing. There's a mountain of chatter about the pneumonia cases in Wuhan back in December before the disease was officially reported, but there is nothing about the lab.

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