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Baric Transcribed Interview (Redacted), p.97 · baric_ti:utt:00849

Date: 2026-04-10 09:00 (day precision)
Type: transcript segment · interview
recipient: Christina Salazar, Harry Kazenoff, David T. Lambeth III, William Henderson, Clark Ervin, Jake Greenberg
speaker: Ralph S. Baric
Topics: Intelligence community assessments

If they were doing it in Michigan, what they were doing were pilot experiments to see if the approach, especially the double-stranded RNA approach, reduced virus titers for North American strains. And there's no sarbecoviruses in North America at this time.

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If they were doing it in Michigan, what they were doing were pilot experiments to see if the approach, especially the double-stranded RNA approach, reduced virus titers for North American strains.	quoted / not their view	hypothetical conditional framing	asserts

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If they were doing it in Michigan, what they were doing were pilot experiments to see if the approach, especially the double-stranded RNA approach, reduced virus titers for North American strains.

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2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

Yeah. There was a Michigan group that had these kind of sprayers -- DC.Scheduling@LexitasLegal.com
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

But that was part --
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

Yeah, that was part of it, but the Michigan group also had a vaccine vector where we would put in viral antigens to try to immunize the bats.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

And I think that there was, in the actual proposal, there was discussion about going to caves in Michigan. So to me that sounds like we might have been doing this in the United States as opposed to China.
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric

If they were doing it in Michigan, what they were doing were pilot experiments to see if the approach, especially the double-stranded RNA approach, reduced virus titers for North American strains. And there's no sarbecoviruses in North America at this time.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

So what they would be spraying in the caves would not be the gain-of-function?
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

No.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

Okay. Why is that?
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

So gain-of-function, you're talking about a live virus.

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