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Baric Transcribed Interview (Redacted), pp.91-92 · baric_ti:utt:00819

Date: 2026-04-10 09:00 (day precision)
Type: transcript segment · interview
recipient: Christina Salazar, Harry Kazenoff, David T. Lambeth III, William Henderson, Clark Ervin, Jake Greenberg
speaker: Ralph S. Baric
Topics: Gain-of-function research

Yeah. So from my perspective, let's talk about the grant for a minute. Let's make sure we put it in perspective. So DARPA was interested in addressing a problem about the warfighter. And I think there's, what, about 250,000 troops and their families across the globe. Many of those soldiers go into wild areas of the world where they come in contact with pathogens. So they can then infect members of their group, they can take the virus back to the base, and they can bring it back to the United States. So this is a real threat, potential threat to the public of the United States, because of where they go. So DARPA came up with a proposal that they wanted to know, down to the nucleotide level, what regulates a virus jumping between species and then develop countermeasures for it. Now, if you want to know, down to the nucleotide level, what drives a cross-species jumping event, you are talking gain-of-function experiments. DC.Scheduling@LexitasLegal.com

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Now, if you want to know, down to the nucleotide level, what drives a cross-species jumping event, you are talking gain-of-function experiments.	own voice, substantive	speaker_own	asserts

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Now, if you want to know, down to the nucleotide level, what drives a cross-species jumping event, you are talking gain-of-function experiments.

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2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

Do you know how many grants I write?
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

I don't.
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

A lot.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

Okay. But this grant, I mean, especially with all the conversations of the furin cleavage site, I mean, nothing about that grant.
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric

Yeah. So from my perspective, let's talk about the grant for a minute. Let's make sure we put it in perspective. So DARPA was interested in addressing a problem about the warfighter. And I think there's, what, about 250,000 troops and their families across the globe. Many of those soldiers go into wild areas of the world where they come in contact with pathogens. So they can then infect members of their group, they can take the virus back to the base, and they can bring it back to the United States. So this is a real threat, potential threat to the public of the United States, because of where they go. So DARPA came up with a proposal that they wanted to know, down to the nucleotide level, what regulates a virus jumping between species and then develop countermeasures for it. Now, if you want to know, down to the nucleotide level, what drives a cross-species jumping event, you are talking gain-of-function experiments. DC.Scheduling@LexitasLegal.com
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

So is that what DARPA was -- I mean --
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

Yes.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

-- they explicitly --
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

The part one was they wanted to know what the threat potential was in certain wild areas of the world, so you did surveillance.

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