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Baric Transcribed Interview (Redacted), p.43 · baric_ti:utt:00297

Date: 2026-04-10 09:00 (day precision)
Type: transcript segment · interview
recipient: Christina Salazar, Harry Kazenoff, David T. Lambeth III, William Henderson, Clark Ervin, Jake Greenberg
speaker: Ralph S. Baric

Matt Freeman sent me an email with a little thing saying, "Hey, the Chinese are selling your mice."

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2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

I don't know if NIH was concerned. I know DC.Scheduling@LexitasLegal.com that Ralph Baric was pissed off.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

Can you tell me a little bit about that?
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

Well, come on. You share an important reagent for countermeasure development to the Chinese that's important early on in their response to a pandemic that's sweeping the world, and then they try to sell it back to U.S. scientists? What kind of crap is this? This is not ethical behavior.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

How did you find out?
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric

Matt Freeman sent me an email with a little thing saying, "Hey, the Chinese are selling your mice."
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

And did you confront --
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

We did. I let the university know and we confronted them, yes, and they killed the mice, from what they told us.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

How many?
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

I have no idea how many mice they killed.