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1. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
   But the NIH was also concerned when they later learned that potentially these mice were being sold or -- I mean, was that not a concern later on, in 2020?
2. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
   I don't know if NIH was concerned. I know DC.Scheduling@LexitasLegal.com that Ralph Baric was pissed off.
3. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
   Can you tell me a little bit about that?
4. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
   Well, come on. You share an important reagent for countermeasure development to the Chinese that's important early on in their response to a pandemic that's sweeping the world, and then they try to sell it back to U.S. scientists? What kind of crap is this? This is not ethical behavior.
5. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar
   How did you find out?
6. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
   Matt Freeman sent me an email with a little thing saying, "Hey, the Chinese are selling your mice."
7. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
   And did you confront --
8. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
   We did. I let the university know and we confronted them, yes, and they killed the mice, from what they told us.
9. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
   How many?

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