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Baric Transcribed Interview (Redacted), p.42 · baric_ti:utt:00291

Date: 2026-04-10 09:00 (day precision)
Type: transcript segment · interview
recipient: Christina Salazar, Harry Kazenoff, David T. Lambeth III, William Henderson, Clark Ervin, Jake Greenberg
speaker: Ralph S. Baric

Well again, the whole purpose of open science is that reproducibility is key. And so if you publish an important paper, people oftentimes ask you for those reagents to either do extensive additional studies or to actually repeat the studies. And so reproducibility is key, and to do that, that's why the NIH wants you to share reagents with people that ask for things.

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2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

Thank you.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

So, I mean, I've seen comments where people seemed shocked that the mice ended up there. From your standpoint, is that valid?
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

No.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

Okay. Can you elaborate?
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric

Well again, the whole purpose of open science is that reproducibility is key. And so if you publish an important paper, people oftentimes ask you for those reagents to either do extensive additional studies or to actually repeat the studies. And so reproducibility is key, and to do that, that's why the NIH wants you to share reagents with people that ask for things.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

But the NIH was also concerned when they later learned that potentially these mice were being sold or -- I mean, was that not a concern later on, in 2020?
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

I don't know if NIH was concerned. I know DC.Scheduling@LexitasLegal.com that Ralph Baric was pissed off.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

Can you tell me a little bit about that?
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

Well, come on. You share an important reagent for countermeasure development to the Chinese that's important early on in their response to a pandemic that's sweeping the world, and then they try to sell it back to U.S. scientists? What kind of crap is this? This is not ethical behavior.

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