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Baric Transcribed Interview (Redacted), pp.41-42 · baric_ti:utt:00281

Date: 2026-04-10 09:00 (day precision)
Type: transcript segment · interview
recipient: Christina Salazar, Harry Kazenoff, David T. Lambeth III, William Henderson, Clark Ervin, Jake Greenberg
speaker: Ralph S. Baric

You have to get all kinds of approval from China, and you have to get approval to ship -- well, the person who did that in my lab at the time did all that paperwork. But you had to have export approvals to send the stuff, and so it took -- all I remember is it took about a year and a half to get all the paperwork done to ship the mice. DC.Scheduling@LexitasLegal.com

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2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

I don't believe there's a formalized process for DNA on a filter paper. If there was a pathogen, for example, then there are intricate processes involved.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

What about for a mouse model?
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

Intricate.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

So do you have to get it approved?
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric

You have to get all kinds of approval from China, and you have to get approval to ship -- well, the person who did that in my lab at the time did all that paperwork. But you had to have export approvals to send the stuff, and so it took -- all I remember is it took about a year and a half to get all the paperwork done to ship the mice. DC.Scheduling@LexitasLegal.com
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

But the Federal Government was aware, by export. I mean, it's not like they were unaware that this was being shipped. You had to fill out export control documents.
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

I think that's correct, yes.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

Through like the Commerce Department.
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

I do not know the details.

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