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Baric Transcribed Interview (Redacted), p.30 · baric_ti:utt:00174

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Date
2026-04-10 09:00 (day precision)
Type
transcript segment · interview
recipient
Christina Salazar, Harry Kazenoff, David T. Lambeth III, William Henderson, Clark Ervin, Jake Greenberg
speaker
Ralph S. Baric
There certainly was a structure. They reviewed it, responded, and then asked for responses from me, and then I gave those responses.

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  1. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
    It's frequent everywhere in the world. Institutional memory is key.
  2. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
    I would expect, as a government entity that funds a lot of IT modernization efforts and systems for agencies, I'm a little shocked that they don't have a way to pull up taxpayer-funded applications.
  3. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
    Well, it wouldn't be the application. It would be a specialized series of documents associated with P3CO review. Again, this would have been very early on, too, so the formalized structure for that review wasn't, I think, finalized until '16 or '17, I think, with the NSABB stuff. DC.Scheduling@LexitasLegal.com
  4. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
    But there was a structure.
  5. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric
    There certainly was a structure. They reviewed it, responded, and then asked for responses from me, and then I gave those responses.
  6. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
    And could you tell us a little bit about, at the time, what that process was like, in terms of the P3CO process?
  7. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
    So in, was it, October 2014, the Obama administration put out the pause. The pause effectively was set up two ways. One way was that if a grant was submitted that had the potential for gain-of-function research it would be reviewed before they funded it. And the second class was if you were already doing P3, or research that might fall under the category, you had the option to either pause it voluntarily or continue it. And in the case of SHC014-WIV work, we paused it voluntarily. The third category was waivers. And so the NIH approved three groups, to my knowledge, to continue to develop a MERS coronavirus mouse model for countermeasured studies.
  8. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
    And you were one of them?
  9. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
    And we were one of them.

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